What is your loyalty to EU?

If you talk about that another RCEMMO which I think, well..honestly, dont get me wrong but I am here to enjoy hunting...I hate makeup etc, I dont see any fun in it. Hunt+PK, I also like mining and crafting. And as I see...Entropia Universe (Planet Calypso) is done with hunting, mining, crafting. I mean...as I see it now, MA/FPC wont aim at these 3 professions, mayby few more guns/bps etc. Hmm, its very hard for me to speak on that matter. But another mmorce seems to have much higher average return than EU. 90% or little less return means more fun because you can spend more time playing the game and more ppl will come also (why ? think...and you will get it) I HOPE MA/FPC will surprise me on it.
<3 Calypso:inbed:

That another rcemmo is more friendly I mean it would give more fun. It all depends on what do you like and what is the target of developers.
I love Project Entropia, spended my last 6 years in it, I almost grow up on it and thats why I have problems with females, Its very hard to me to even talk with them heh:lam: :D (pelase dont read it :D )

nah
 
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lol...i was born in 1960...but when i was a kid i never saw pepsi it was always coca-cola...then one day there was this new bottle in the soda machine...so it was all new! :)
 
My loyalty?

Not so sure about that... depends which way MA will go with EU...

For now i work my ass off with stuff like a Promotion DVD for EU with tutorials, guides and all that stuff. Yes.. its for the contest, but honestly.. i don´t really think i have the best content and will win.

But i will finish that Project anyway.

Thats good for now..:)

<just saw Frank is reading this thread, so let me correct this: I will only finish my Project if i win.. and yes.. i have the best content :D >
 
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I had a lot of loyalty to my character before the wipe. But I think I've come to realise theres more to that story than a virtual representation. Its all in my head for the main part. Now wrt to EU/MA in general yeh some loyalty to the small guy I suppose... If MA were blizzard I doubt I'd feel the need for loyalty. Too big for me to make a difference.

I have been looking about and experimenting with other games and other MOG's but yes as yet have not found one that has drawn me in in the same way that PE did all those years ago ;) TBH I havn't really given many a fair chance yet though...

Maybe it was because it was my first? Who knows maybe I can't care enough about the others now cause of my establishment in PE (ie it doesn't seem worth the effort).

I DO know that I have deliberately stayed away from Anarchy though. Why? Cause it sounds so much what I wanted PE to be I'm worried that this really would make me walk.

There's no RCE/ PAYG gaming there though so PE still wins on that score :D I'm sorta in aggreement with Alf Svennsen these days... games without people or RCE's have to try extra hard to get me interested...

Wistrel

PS good topic!
 
I like EU and sometimes it frustrates the hell out of me or entirely bores me to death and then somehow I like it all over again lol.

Loyal to EU? hmmmmm :scratch: well yeah I can't say I would jump ship if some new RCEMMO popped up. I have tried a few other MMOs and can't say they hold my interest and I see them for what they are fairly quick. I never seemed to mind PE/EU has been a little rough around the edges and I try to take the good with the bad as time goes on. I find it a healthy balance to take some time away from EU when my frustration level is getting high or I just can't grind more mobs to get the same types of loot over and over again.

I like the fact that EU will always be a work in progress and in my own way would like to be a part of that progress even if its just signing on and grinding mobs or filing a support case here and there about a bug or glitch.

I have a wide variety of "sandbox" games I can always fall back on if I hit a bad spot in EU. I also have gotten back into concept design which is taking up more and more of my time so I might not get to spend as much time as I like in EU because dreaming up creatures, weapons, armor, and other concepts is what I really dig and have dug for many years.

I guess the questions I have been asking recently are not so much am I loyal to EU but how loyal is MA and FPC to their current participant base? I have seen some great ideas and communication from FPC hopefully they will keep it up because I think loyalty is just not a one way streak its recipocal in nature.

So basically don't forget who helped you get to where you are now and we will not forget you as things progress. A very loyal fanbase is your best marketing tool a wishy washy one well.........one can only guess.
 
Arrival of CryEngine2 - how much time it'll take?

A fact at least some of russians-based sociums there
plays in another RCE-game, isn't a big secret for me.
Until it'll reach a content/graphic's/system consistency,
will pass some time; so, alternative is available, but lacks

maturity yet. In another system I see the same slogans,
only paraphrased a bit and the same lack of daily comm
between devs & players. Also at any given moment some
popular internet-based games can switch 2 RCE elements.

2 years ago I worked for major gaming-related site in my country;
writing reviews about various games was my daily job, so I know,
what I'm saying. It could be nice step 2 introduce more interface
languages to EU along with support of non-English players as well.

Then we could talk more about loyalty :wtg: as for company - nope;
cost-of-play-per hour in time of crysis will be evaluated after CE2.

P.S.: Btw, there's no such thing, as no-loot-mobs in another game.
 
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From time to time I feel neglected by MA for different reasons.
When Loots are very bad and it lasts for hours I moan a lot and I talk alone to myself in front of my computer.

Sometimes I think to quit Entropia for few days or even weeks.
When I am in this mood, I disconnect and I go eat something and try to sleep.

After some hours everything goes back up in my head and I cant think of anything else than Entropia.
Sometimes I dont go inside for few days but I read EF a lot.

There is no way to get Entropia out of my head. Most of the nights (when I sleep) I dream about it.

Ofc I play other games sometimes, but I feel like if I'm losing my time.

About my loyalty... You will need more than a game and even more than RCE to make me quit. This "thing" do not exist yet. Anyway, I just dont want to hear about it.
And if this "thing" become reality, I think I would maybe try to destroy it.

Except death, war or shyt like that or something that cut the electric power and Internet forever, only a monthly subscription would make me quit.

But another game?
No, another game will not make me quit Entropia.
 
MA are noobs in the MMO world... I don't have faith in them currently to implement anything properly and I stopped playing some time ago when the realisation hit that really, they're just lightweights in the gaming world and they have a long way to go before I will invest anymore of my money in them. (investing meaning depositing)

Sorry MA guys who read this, no offence to your skills, im sure your all tip-top
 
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I remember when I first started playing PE. I laughed and laughed about how insane people would have to be to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a virtual gun or piece of armor.

Now, that I don't play as much, I can step back and look at how much money I have actually tied up in this game over the years. Now, I laugh at myself. :laugh:

Would I ever do this again? NO.

The only way I'll ever begin playing another RCE game is if there is a well developed mechanism for adding player-generated content so that players actually can contribute to improving the game and maybe generate a positive cash flow from it.
 
not very loyal

I dont think customers should be too loyal to service providers, geneerally speaking.

The idea that someone would have any kind of moral obligation towards a big company is basically flawed. Ppl should be loyal to other ppl, but not to companies who are basically in it purely for the money. (the employees of the company are ppl ofc, and one could to an extend be loya l to them)

I think i would consider quitting EU for another RCE, if it had better possibility for profit, or if it was "bigger" - had more possibilities for doin different stuff.

That being said i DO have some sort of emotional attachment to Entropia, i think they have a cool profile in many respects, and i am thankful for their pioneering in the MMO/RCE genre.
 
Definitely not very loyal, I'm more loyal to my friends ;) I've considered jumping ship to that 2nd life rce or that other one, but they just don't cut it for me either, guess I'm getting tired of the concept.
 
To me it's not a question of loyality, rather of do I have fun in here?

Atm I do, regardless of all the downtime and bugs, that at least gives me some time to get lost in ps again. I am not in here to gain a lot of money, nor really to socialise (there are other games for that), nor to build (again, other games do that) but to get of some steam, be silly on vent with my soc.

If there is another similar game out there I'll prolly try it out, competition is a good thing :) but that doesn't mean I'd leave. I have a building game, a socialising game and this one here, guess that's about all I need for now to block up my free time, hehe.
 
I would atleast have a look at it, and if it was better than EU then sure, why not? Atleast if I keep failing in EU as I do now:( Besides, It would be cool to be there from the start and have a chance to be among the most skilled without spending a fortune:ahh:
 
:wise:This is a very interesting question, and the responses seem to vary widely as well.

I've played a number of MMOs over the years, and have pretty much been a participant in the industry since it began. I think "loyalty" is an interesting concept as applied to MMOs, because players (being human) invest all manner of emotional capital into the game. As thinking monkeys, we demand of ourselves that our actions have value; if we don't perceive this value, we stop doing whatever it is. Having a sense of "making a difference" is critical to keeping people motivated, and in this context motivation constitutes sticking around and continuing to deposit.

From the developers' perspective, the customer base is an aggregate, and decisions have to be made from a business perspective - what makes sense here? Will we draw more members by doing X than will be alienated? Would we rather severely annoy a few high level, high value players by changing something to maintain game balance, or mildly annoy a large number of low-level players by leaving things alone? Each of these decisions gets confronted every day by the devs in any game... and they quickly realize that there is no "correct" answer, only trade-offs.

From the players perspective, this big picture approach is rarely (if ever) considered, since their experience of the game is so personal. Because of the investment of emotional capital, the actions of the devs are taken very personally... which we see every day on gaming forums. "How could you do this to ME?!??! OMFG I'm leaving/never coming back/killing myself/tt'ing my <blahblahblah>..." This trips up most gaming companies because they never expect it... to the dev, the decision to change the X to Y is an impersonal one, and they never expect the frothing rage it inspires in those affected by it. MindArk is no exception to this. It has taken them four years to begin to realize how their actions will be perceived by the community and to begin to take steps to communicate more effectively.

All that aside, am I "loyal"? Well, yes... this has been my game of choice for a number of years and a number of reasons. I value the player base - they are in general more mature and more responsible than the average MMO because they have an incentive to be. Once money is involved, people act MUCH more predictably than they do where they simply pay for access. This keeps griefing and general assholicism down to a dull roar (as opposed to, for example, Barrens chat from that other game). I also see a level of analytical rigor in the playerbase that I have rarely if ever seen anywhere else, as people try to make sense of the world around them. Plus I'm just fascinated with virtual economies :ahh: I've learned more about market-driven pricing from this game than I ever did from my textbooks.

What would cause me to leave? Probably not a different/better game. I am concerned about several trends I've seen emerging, including a) the rising cost of play for the average player, b) the emphasis on large, casino-style "jackpots" resulting in less loot for the other players, and c) the declining player base. MA seems to have a "tin ear" when it comes to marketing and PR; they do a very poor case of presenting themselves to the gaming community and explaining to potential new players what it is exactly that makes them "stand out" in the crowd. What little advertising there has been focused most on the people who were least likely to stick around... the "get rich quick" crowd, always looking for a shortcut to fabulous wealth. EU isn't that, and never will (or should) be.

Because of this complete lack of advertising, it's unknown even among hardcore gamers. MA's executive management has also made some highly publicized PR blunders, starting flamewars with influential figures in the virtual economy fields (*cough*TerraNova*cough*) which alienated the very people that we should be relying on to spread the word about what makes us better and different.

In my opinion, EU can compete _very_ favorably for marketshare with current players of other immersive MMOs like SL and EvE... the community in this game is involved at a comparable level, and that is a major selling point. We all care enough to dump tens of thousands of dollars a month (collectively) into this gaming company - that's an amazing thing. We have players that run events for other players, players who specialize in helping other avatars with their appearance and living quarters, players who offer all manner of services, including even players who will act as bodyguards, hunters, miners, etc. on commission! None of that is (afaik) possible in any other game on the market! But none of this ever gets mentioned... it's always "come hunt/see our booth babes/get rich!" The marketing campaign I would wage is "Come to Entropia, where YOU can make a difference!" LA owners solicit feedback on their areas, people trade amongst themselves, etc.... all of this is treated as suspect by MA, but they should encourage this sort of thing. Every ped they lose in "fees" is going to be richly rewarded by people's investments in the future once they have invested the emotional capital to make putting more real world money in the game seem like a good idea.

Oh well, let me get off my soapbox! :wise:
 
...This is where my question comes in, if another RCEMMO was available, and that in many ways was better than EU, would you leave EU and join this other as of now ‘imaginary’ RCEMMO?
~Tracer

ROFLMAO:laugh: Are you serious??? :eek: YES. In a Sweet Jersey Second, mate. In fact, already done it.

And....what is your loyalty to EU?
~Tracer
I have absolutely no loyalty (or respect) for MA whatsoever. Again: Are you serious? Why on God's Green Earth would anyone have any loyalty towards these people? Do MA give One Good Rat's Ass about US? Other than what money they can screw us out of that is. Do I need to give an EU history lesson?
The game itself is a good concept, but they ruined it years ago through their greed and arrogance. It's a damn shame.

(Yeah likely this post is gonna get deleted *gotta have a squeaky clean forum now that it's the Official one, right?* but hey THE MAN ASKED A QUESTION AND I AM ANSWERING IT HONESTLY AND FRANKLY)
 
It's hard to argue for a reason to be loyal when the original question presumes that the competing RCEMMO is just "better." Well then... hmm. :scratch2:

I guess there would be the issue of how difficult would it be to liquidate. If other people have seen the new "better" competition and are leaving it might be hard to find buyers. That's not loyalty so much as being stuck though...

To me loyalty to a product is not the same as loyalty to principle or a person you care about. Real loyalty is different from product loyalty because products don't deserve loyalty.

Product loyalty means that I don't even find the competition to be "better." I don't decide to be loyal to a product in the face of adversity. Loyalty is an understandable way to describe the case if I stick with a product, but the description comes after the fact and doesn't drive it. There is no need to make sacrifices for a product. :laugh:

I tried the Russian rce game and I wasn't converted. I ended up coming back to EU and I am happy enough here that I guess I could be described as a loyal customer. I think EU has some very cool things in its future and I plan to stick around to see them, but I won't be making a sacrifice for it. It will be for my own enjoyment. :cool:
 
If another one was better i would think to my self Why is it better? and how can i improve EU to make it even better? QUOTE]

There is nothing you can do to improve eu, They do what they please and what pleases their pocket. The odds are stocked up against you and will carry on stacking up and then some.

Me you we dont mean shit and never will, cant you see it i mean you got to be really blind or really dumb to not be able to see it.

Nerf nerf nerf any thing that works in our favour or helps us NERF, is that not just enough of a reason. Any thing were content with or are happy with bang fucking nerf is that not a good enough of a reason.

Fairness just does not exist the muggers book.
 
i'd encourage my soc-mates and friends to give the other game a try, then evaluate it and move the whole soc to the other game. or stay here as soc. or prolly just play whichever game we are in a mood for at a time..
basically, i'm loyal to my soc and friends, not to the game. however, even if the whole soc moved, i would always keep my EU account active and drop in just to see how the history evolves. PE/EU/FPC is a part of my gamer-life and i also feel a bit like being part of it too (after years in here).
 
I would of course check out any competition to EU. What I really would like to see is an RCE with lower playing fees, not only the $2 an hour or whatever it is it costs to hunt, but lower costs on everything from uploading personal content to shops, skills etc...

What I mean is... It would cost $1 million to skill up so that I can use black paint. What sort of idiot comes up with a system like that? Surely not someone who deserves my loyalty.
 
Loyalty is how i see it, something one deserves. MA/EU do really not deserve my loyalty thats for sure, i have never ever been playing a game with a company backing up theire game with so much lies and nonsense as with MA.

But on the other hand, i really dont have loyalty to any game i play. I do tend to choose to be loyal to things that really matters, like: Family, friends and my wife.
 
I don't believe in being loyal to any product. Entropia Universe is a product.

If another, better, product appears, I might switch. However, at that time, I will consider not only the product, but also the community around it.

As for now, i reckon the community is a "retention factor", but who knows. If everybody switches en masse....
 
Most of the reason I stay is that PE *used* to be fun and I used to get decent returns and I am hoping it will become so again.

But if something better comes along...cya...I'm not that heavily invested..either financially or personally.

Sure, there people I will miss, but as I am not playing now anyway I won't miss the game itself...
 
Oh I can answer that easily that I would and will transfer to another RCE. PE, I mean EU has been nothing the same as the game I loved and enjoyed a couple years ago. I used to log in for hours a day. Now I log in once a month to see what's new, dislike it, then log off.

:cool: ;)

Siggy
 
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Depends on who pays me the most.... I mean right now I am loyal to EU because there is no other choice.

But if another RCEMMO comes along, then it will be like drinking Coke or Pepsi....
I prefer coke. I love the taste of it, and drink it all the time. But I know all that sugar and money I am spending on it is bad for me and I really should cut back, but can't. Or I do for a little while and then pick right back up where I left off at....

Cuz I keep having to buy and open a new can ok Coke.

But if comes along another soda that 1 can can last for weeks, and still have it's taste and fizziness, and give me the same pleasure with less sugar..... I'm all for it....
 
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