Info: Real economy… my ass.

The open of the tread was most of all AN OPINION, not a whining:wise:. But the advices received are welcome and for that I thank to all.:)

i told you... brooklyn and company are here again like in all post of this kind from the real players.... (they are very funny... do not matter friend.. smile is better with them)!
 
i told you... brooklyn and company are here again like in all post of this kind from the real players.... (they are very funny... do not matter friend.. smile is better with them)!

So only the whiners are real players ? :scratch2:
 
So only the whiners are real players ? :scratch2:


The real players read what other real players write, and have no reason to ridicule or insult between them ... But, those who never won anything in the game, however defend the game more than Marco in person could be do it, are not real players.

You already know the interests of those complaining ... their interest is not lose so much and besides that the famous studies of rate of return can be seen in practice ... But what is the interest of the others? ¿to put in ridicule? ¿that the game continues without any improvements? can you explain to me? :scratch2:
 
The real players read what other real players write, and have no reason to ridicule or insult between them ... But, those who never won anything in the game, however defend the game more than Marco in person could be do it, are not real players.

You already know the interests of those complaining ... their interest is not lose so much and besides that the famous studies of rate of return can be seen in practice ... But what is the interest of the others? ¿to put in ridicule? ¿that the game continues without any improvements? can you explain to me? :scratch2:

There is a big difference between asking for advice and whining.

To ask for advice you say, I am using xxx weapon hunting xxx mobs with xxx fap and turning over xxx ped and my return is xxx ped.

To whine you say, %#*@= MA, all %#*@= lucky(chosen by MA)avas get all the loot, I lost %#*@= peds.

Now which one was the OP ?
 
There is a big difference between asking for advice and whining.

To ask for advice you say, I am using xxx weapon hunting xxx mobs with xxx fap and turning over xxx ped and my return is xxx ped.

To whine you say, %#*@= MA, all %#*@= lucky(chosen by MA)avas get all the loot, I lost %#*@= peds.

Now which one was the OP ?


probably.. you did not read the natural first step (I am using XXX bla bla..)... However, all people in the world, after the first step goes to second step: @%&%·" etc etc·· that you saw here..

really dear friend please to put a hand in your heart and say if after step number one you do not go to the step number two...

It is easy to understand for all people.. Try it.
 
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probably.. you did not read the natural first step (I am using XXX bla bla..)... However, all people in the world, after the first step goes to second step: @%&%·" etc etc·· that you saw here..

really dear friend please to put a hand in your heart and say if after step number one you do not go to the step number two...

It is easy to understand for all people.. Try it.

It is not easy for me to see. I am sorry but I can never see any way in which " after the first step goes to second step: @%&%·" is productive.

Regards x
 
It is not easy for me to see. I am sorry but I can never see any way in which " after the first step goes to second step: @%&%·" is productive.

Regards x


(usually the first step is many months ago. or years ago ...)


Merry Xmas for U friend
 
(usually the first step is many months ago. or years ago ...)


Merry Xmas for U friend

Its funny how noob like you is being a smartass here on EF...
 
Its funny how noob like you is being a smartass here on EF...


yes.. i am a noob. i only have 145 HP. I am 48 level in laser sniper.. Only i can use isis 63 or geotrec al26 with lucky an isis 65... i have two year playing the game (every day of week)...

But acordingly to definition of Entropedia.. I am a noob.. because I have less than 150 of HP. Are you an Uber? Do you have more than 250 HP?

Merry Xmas for U too:wtg:
 
I think the situation is in fact quite simple...
I checked tracker earlier, the whole society am in over the last 30 days won all together maybe what i could do solo in vu9.4 and we still in top 100 lol

I agree, have to adapt etc all theories are all right for who it fits.

the fact is the game has changed and most people don't want to admit it's not as enjoyable as before, that quiting the game is a real solution... for some!

Yes we ran after loot to continue playing in the past, now it's another game, more for players that are rich enough to be mentionned in the hof list (except lucky ones), for those who are not motivated by rewards, or those who like sweating to shoot opalo!
 
EU is real economy game just for MA and a small group of chosen avatars.:mad: The rest of us just lose money day by day, month after month and year after year. Is worse then at casino. :( After the vu10 (cryengine implementation) the lots go from worse to worse and the chary on top was now the tier implementation. No matter if I deposit money every day… I lose all in the same day, and all go to the “chosen” avatars and MA profit. I try hard to keep me in the game, but I do not know how much time I will be able to do this. :scratch2: Even hunt camping have no result. I’m tired to lose all the time. :eyecrazy: If you feel the same post here.:computer:

" shit happens everyday ! " .. I'm sad to realise that it's getting bigger and I'm entierly in it :silly2:
 
There is a big difference between asking for advice and whining.

To ask for advice you say, I am using xxx weapon hunting xxx mobs with xxx fap and turning over xxx ped and my return is xxx ped.

To whine you say, %#*@= MA, all %#*@= lucky(chosen by MA)avas get all the loot, I lost %#*@= peds.

Now which one was the OP ?

Does it matter? Fact is, there is a problem. If you only want to listen to the skinwrapped message fine.. perhaps he is not able to ask for help the way you would prefer, perhaps he does not see any solution in his eyes so asking would be obsolete.
If you know something that can help him, ask him the question that you can contribute to. That way he is possibly helped and your reputation goes up.
or we can just burn
 
Does it matter? Fact is, there is a problem. If you only want to listen to the skinwrapped message fine.. perhaps he is not able to ask for help the way you would prefer, perhaps he does not see any solution in his eyes so asking would be obsolete.
If you know something that can help him, ask him the question that you can contribute to. That way he is possibly helped and your reputation goes up.
or we can just burn

Wish it was that simple mate. We could help him collectively as a community, if he came here with all the facts and numbers about his hunting. But this wouldn't change anything, because

A) Most likely he wouldn't listen finding some excuses
B) Even if he would listen, it would only help for a few weeks, untill he goes hunting hogglos with lr41 again...

So untill people start using their own heads, and take responsibility for their actions, we will have such threads everyday. Such people most of the times don't listen to advice. They just want to do what is cool, and then when it doesn't work out, and they loose money... they're ready to blame it on anything, except for themselves.

When i was younger and more foolish, i tried to argue with them and prove that they're wrong. Now, i'm just walking by, because you will just waste your time and energy, and result will be exactly the same. Because afterall, they are not looking for advice, they are looking for sympathy.
 
Because afterall, they are not looking for advice, they are looking for sympathy.

yes this covers it all I geuss, what I do know however is that any given advise might not take effect in the beginning. I do know that the brain can and needs to make new links to fully understand and can adjust the behaviour with the proper knowlage, and that is proces which can take a long time.
Sometimes it is needed to keep telling someone where the 'right' direction is for them to achieve what they would like.

I do believe that not all will be reached, but for those who need the help I say help them, and teach them how to ask instead of backfiering, since that only gives grievance.

What I also think about sympathy is that it is nothing bad, if something goes good it is all ok for the community, but when things have gone bad sometimes sharing that can ease the mind and let it rest more.
It is great for the community when the community is able to absorb the kick, it will grow stronger through laughter and tears.

(as long there is no flaming, it is good.. ) take it serious and if it is a flamingwar cut it off.

Now, i'm just walking by, because you will just waste your time and energy, and result will be exactly the same.

I am not wasting my energy, instead I am merly talking towards myself hoping that I can do what I write.. my posts are egocentric and with sensitivity towards the people who are driven in the whiner closet
 
Does it matter?

That depends if he only wants to whine or if he would really like some advice.

Fact is, there is a problem.

Fact is, he has a problem.

If you only want to listen to the skinwrapped message fine.. perhaps he is not able to ask for help the way you would prefer, perhaps he does not see any solution in his eyes so asking would be obsolete.

If he asked like an adult he would be more likely to get mature responses. If you notice I said nothing in this thread until someone suggested that only the whiners are "real" players.

If you know something that can help him, ask him the question that you can contribute to. That way he is possibly helped and your reputation goes up.
or we can just burn

If someone asked for advice I would be happy to share what I know. The OP did not ask for advice. In fact, he asked everyone that didn't agree to not post.

He did get some very good advice about his hunting practises and I hope he takes them on board.
 
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and ask to him a couple of global for your tracker... maybe with these. the people here can believe that you are a player)

I believe there is direct a correlation between those obsessed with counting and tracking globals and whining conspiracy theories, such as yours.

I wonder if any those who continue to bombard the forum with their tales of woe, MA screwed me and I'm losing gadazillions of ped every day...

Really play the game?

I know they think they play this game, I know they talk like they play this game, but I think they are playing some other game, such as Roulette, perhaps Russian Roulette*, where everything they do, like the OP* for two years, all but guarantees big losses and ultimately a bitter, ranting, depressing gaming suicide and a death song on EF.

The correct title to this thread should have been

“A Real Cash Economy Burned My Ass”

because, I was still playing by the rules and expectations of the

“Hump a Dwarf for his Chest Full of Gold Economy”

In Real Cash Economy in a game that is “Free to Play” there is only one determiner of “Real Success” and the measure of your skills as a player in this game…and that is

“at the end of the day
do you have more money
than when you started?”

If you can’t answer yes… Everything else about #Globals, #Hofs, #Super Guns vs #Super Mobs, #Years, #Tiers and tears... is just blowing expensive smoke up people’s asses to massage a losing ego.

Play for
Profit..................Free................Deposit

:yay:..........:)..........:cool:..........:(..........:mad:

Winners………………………......Whiners

To the OP… Learn to play this game listen to what the real players are telling you and let the evidence of your deposits tell you how close you are to mastering a REAL RCE... because simply put in REAL RCE the REAL PLAYERS know....
Money talks...Bullshit Walks"

IMHO
;)


*They will argue other metaphoric comparisons such as poker or craps, even slots… because a sissy name like Roulette doesn’t quite fit their, globaling, hoffing, hunterman, minerman, machoman, male egos... but it’s Roulette.
 
To the OP… Learn to play this game listen to what the real players are telling you and let the evidence of your deposits tell you how close you are to mastering a REAL RCE... because simply put in REAL RCE the REAL PLAYERS know....

1. First of all learn to read what otters have already written before you.:eek:
2. I think you believe about yourself to be a real player, with your one year in the game... :D, and your traker statistics :silly2:... and also your NO deposit in game ;)
3. As I write I take all advice, but from real experienced players.
See my post from here https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...74216-real-economy-my-ass-12.html#post2222244
4. I now, to say something against the system must have some guts, but if you don’t have some no need to kiss MA ass :ahh:, your life in game will not be better.
5. The interest for this tread is over my expectations and polemic opinions are welcomed. Finally I hope to help MA to improve the "real cash economy" of the game.:wtg:
 
2. I think you believe about yourself to be a real player, with your one year in the game... :D, and your traker statistics :silly2:... and also your NO deposit in game ;)

If you want help, put down the sarcasm
 
Theo2008 - this name insinuates that you play not much more than one year, too :rolleyes:

However, i am still waiting for an answer to this:

Would you please name a couple of those "chosen avatars" you mentioned?

Pretty please, i am dying to know!
 
If you want help, put down the sarcasm

1. First of all learn to read what otters have already written before you.:eek:

Also leave the otters alone!

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On a more serious side: it's hard to please the whiners. Either you have too few globals and are no real player or you got too many and are a 'chosen one'/'lucky avatar'.
 
On a more serious side: it's hard to please the whiners. Either you have too few globals and are no real player or you got too many and are a 'chosen one'/'lucky avatar'.

Yes. I think, the middle way is the right way.

Theo2008 - this name insinuates that you play not much more than one year, too

nop, is just the year when I make my forum account. sry :)

However, i am still waiting for an answer to this: ....

Just read the tracker statistics and see with your own eyes :eek:, is so easy. Or… wait :silly2:
 
Yeah, MindArk would go bankrupt if they let everyone profit. TT or MU.

People would deposit even if they get high loots.
OP is a perfect example. Angel part, Trox Uber and still crying he needs to deposit.

I'll trade him the angel part for a tissue.
 
1. First of all learn to read what otters have already written before you.:eek:
2. I think you believe about yourself to be a real player, with your one year in the game... :D, and your traker statistics :silly2:... and also your NO deposit in game ;)
3. As I write I take all advice, but from real experienced players.
See my post from here https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...74216-real-economy-my-ass-12.html#post2222244
4. I now, to say something against the system must have some guts, but if you don’t have some no need to kiss MA ass :ahh:, your life in game will not be better.
5. The interest for this tread is over my expectations and polemic opinions are welcomed. Finally I hope to help MA to improve the "real cash economy" of the game.:wtg:


Yeah, i guess i'm no real player as well :rolleyes:


Besides, doesn't look like you want any advice or opinion different from yours.

Is exactly what I do. And please, this is not a tread for “lucky” avatars.

I guess all you want is to swim in your own misery, right?

Besides, what exactly you want to improve in RCE? That every fool hunting over his level would profit no matter what? Then let me dissapoint you, you're in a wrong game. Go play some WoW instead.
 
Angel part, Trox Uber and still crying he needs to deposit.

Hmm too bad, I lost my sympathy since I thought he really got unlucky.. my best loot ever is a Mannequin pad since 2005

I geuss Moonbiter was right the first shot :ahh:
 
Just read the tracker statistics and see with your own eyes :eek:, is so easy. Or… wait :silly2:

Noooonononooo - i want the names of those YOU were referring to - and not some guys I would pick...

:cool:
 
Just read the tracker statistics and see with your own eyes :eek:, is so easy. Or… wait :silly2:

Yeah, then you know how much global/HoF/ATH loot people got... You have no idea whatsoever how much they needed to use to get them...
 
90 is just a number, don't focus on the numbers, just the sitiuation.
Randomness, some win the real lottery a few times in their life, some get struck by lightning few times in their lifes.

Everybody is THAT important to NOT let these kind of sitiuations happen as often as they do now, ideally not to happen at all.

It is important to define a number, because the lower the number, then the more likely you are experiencing variance, as opposed to you being terrible at the game. As you used the examples of the 90 days and 10 players, yes that situation is entirely possible, however, the farther you stretch into infinity. Then numbers will equal out, assuming they all play the exact same way for the exact same amount of time.

You are trying to suggest that no matter what you do, some people will only get 20% return, and others will get 90% return, and its just not the case. In the short run yes. But not in the long run, that's why we use time as a measurement, in order to determine how significant the variance plays a role in the return. And how significant you shooting guns you arent efficient in using plays a role in your return.

BTW the lottery is -EV for everybody so anyone that profits playing that is considered lucky, whether you win once or multiple times.

The open of the tread was most of all AN OPINION, not a whining. But the advices received are welcome and for that I thank to all.

You really want to commit to that? Your opinion is that MA is conspiring with a select few avatars and making it impossible for the rest of us to make a decent return? If that really is your opinion. Then your opinion sucks and you need to back it up with some actual proof, and not some bullshit like "oh well they got lotsa globals and i only gots a couple" no one cares whiner. Get some facts before you develop a retarded opinion like this.
 
1. First of all learn to read what otters have already written before you.:eek:

First of all I have read what all the others have said… and what the good helpful players have said is that you don’t know how to play… You use the wrong equipment, to hunt the wrong mobs, craft the wrong items, mine the wrong minerals, without the right skills and for all the wrong purposes.

By the way I learned all they were telling you in my first three months because I listened to them... read them on the forum and met and talked to other oldtimer good sucessful players in game. Since I started to take the EU seriously by using their advice and matching it to my own ideas, I have been successful, not rich, but successful enough to play for free with a very small profit…and to pay back what I had originally invested and all with what some will claim... are the most dismal global tracker stats ever.

2. I think you believe about yourself to be a real player, with your one year in the game... :D, and your traker statistics :silly2:... and also your NO deposit in game ;)

Yes I do consider myself one of those "Real Players" who take the game seriously and try to master it in the only way you can master it... not depositing, turning my cost per hour into my profit per hour.

My tracker stats are an accurate reflection of my type of game play, I don’t hunt, mine or craft for globals, much less hofs... but steady income… the mobs I hunt don’t global, (even if I did global on a snabble which you haven't). I mine un-amped with and 104’s and my main sustaining finds are lyst and oil.

As soon as someone brings-up my global tracker stats as an argument I know they are not serious “Real Players”…. Because serious Real Players “know” it’s not “the global” it’s what you "do with the global" that counts… and judging by how your spending... your not serious and haven’t clue as to what to do with them other then brag about them and your losses.

3. As I write I take all advice, but from real experienced players.
See my post from here https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...74216-real-economy-my-ass-12.html#post2222244

That I suspect was thrown in only because you didn’t have the courage to stand up for what you say you believe

4. I now, to say something against the system must have some guts, but if you don’t have some no need to kiss MA ass :ahh:, your life in game will not be better.

Non-sense… It takes absolutely no guts and only kiss up to the crowd wussiness… to post something against the system and MA on this forum. Try posting something against the “in-crowd”…and when you get them mounting campaigns and taking polls to throw off the forum… and comments that range from simply "I wish you would die" to "If I meet you real life I will punch you in the face"... "kick your ass"..."you dumb c*nt", simply because their overblown egos can’t stand the truth about or understand the irony or wit of your posts….

Then come talk to me about courage on the forum. Not that it takes much of that…after all it’s just a forum and I'm just a girl from Brookyn.

Just to inform… I do challenge MA on issues like getting get rid of PVP, shifting the loot balance to lower end of the economy, introducing ethical programming as part of EU..etc..etc. My current beef... is "Marco’s Slave Factories" and the capitalist implications of this type of sick thinking with it's catering to the upper classes. I’ve offered plans to improve communications and services not only in EU but EF as well. But alas in the case of EF the powers that be and the coalition of the Whiners… blocked and locked that attempt to help your miserable life…(see post 11)

5. The interest for this tread is over my expectations and polemic opinions are welcomed. Finally I hope to help MA to improve the "real cash economy" of the game.:wtg:

The economy doesn’t need improvements to reward bad players, ramblers and gamblers or people who are not interested in playing "this" game as "Real Players".
 
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No matter if I deposit money every day… I lose all in the same day, and all go to the “chosen” avatars and MA profit.

Yipppeeee, techinically this makes me one of the chosen few ;)

Go go go go go go go ace, hehe

Rgds

Ace
 
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