F.o.m.a - misfortuna

xX Gently Xx said:

...He took the money - therefore he agreed to the situation. Bashing the person who payed him afterwards is lame - you either disagree and go on strike, or agree and live with it. But he took the money, then it sunk in with him that he could have gotten more and that greedy little itch made him mad hence this thread. And anyone else who took the money and now spits acid is in the same boat.

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Nice how people on the internet know more about your own experience, life and thought processes than yourself. What did I have for breakfast this morning then?

Completely wrong by the way, and it obviously shows you've never talked to me. There is more than one person posting far too much in this thread who are doing the same thing. They know who they are.

burnsey said:

FOMA is only 4 letters and Fortuna is 7 so maybe you should be consider that you suggested 63% of the chosen name!

or perhaps the punctuation counts too then you have 3 periods and a dash so 8 and 7 or 46.6%

WAIT! the official name is Federated Orbital Multidome Asteroid which is 33 letters so maybe it's 17.5%

or if you count only the words it can be 20%

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Or if you count the fact that Foma had already given 3 of 4 words in the anagram F.O.M.A before the competition even began and that Orbital was the only creative part of it, then it's back up to 50%

Good luck with the first child by the way Hope you can Tier it up soon enough. Hmm, I wonder what Foma's first child's Tier upgrade ingredients would be...

Menace said:

I think the contest was a sham. I was awarded 20 PED for my creativity in my name suggestion. Don't get me wrong... that's a very nice gesture. That being said... after I read how the first place was dished out I didn't go pick up my 20 PED because I refuse to do any business with such an individual. Even if it is retrieving free PEDs.

Menace

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+rep

xX Gently Xx said:

He took the money - therefore he agreed to the situation. Bashing the person who payed him afterwards is lame - you either disagree and go on strike, or agree and live with it. But he took the money, then it sunk in with him that he could have gotten more and that greedy little itch made him mad hence this thread. And anyone else who took the money and now spits acid is in the same boat.

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I've gotta say, like Dalas, that you've got him entirely wrong. But then you weren't there, talking with him, as this situation unfolded. I was.

So , OK , guys, if Dalas gets it in the neck for accepting Foma's pittance, then that is partly my fault, because I pretty much advised him to do so. Or at least I said that I really wiuldn't blame him if he did, or if he didn't, and helped him weigh up the pros and cons.

One point you can say in favour of accepting it is: Dalas had just been shafted on by Foma, and was feeling pretty sore already. Why add self-inflicted injury to insult by turning down the bit he could have, when he was short of PEDs and could really use it?. On pure principle? Yes that would have been really noble. and we'd all have applauded him (well...some of us) But heck, i do think that's a bit much to ask and expect of him.

I can't remember if I said that to Dalas, exactly; but i surely said something of the kind, since that's what I think.

So the truth is: Dalas very nearly took Menace's stance. He was predisposed to; but , with the encouragement of his friends, he decided to be a little bit kind to himself, instead. Big crime

That doesn't invalidate any point raised here. The main thing that pissed everybody off (including Dalas, ofc) was that Foma broke his own rules and awarded "First Prize" to this "RL friend" of his. Its not a question of how the remaining 1.5k PED of the prize pool were distributed, though clearly Dalas would have got a lot more than he did, if not for that (as the only clear major prizewinner who posted on the forum, or even registered here) so there was definitely collateral damage there

A lot of people keep repeating that Foma didn;t break any rules. Well he did. Do you people think that the fact that he deleted those rules as he broke them makes that any better? Makes it all the worse in my book. Or do you just not beliieve all the people who say so? Or did you somehow miss those particular posts?

But back to Dalas. I say he got personally shafted, not just because of this shabby first prize fiasco, but also because Foma published a winner list way before he announced exactly what they'd won. This RL friend did not appear on that winner list. Then the final name for the asteroid was announced, and still no changes were made to the winner list, which was presumed complete. Nobody was sure how much the biggest prize would be, but we were all very certain that it was gonna be several k and that Dalas would win it. He was the only serious contender.

Foma let this expectation hang in the air for a day or two, then dropped his "RL friend " bombshell. And quietly deleted the rules whilst he was at it.

And you're surprised that Dalas is angry? You're calling his reaction a symptom of greed?

Any number of people were outraged by that manoevere, not only Dalas. You can read our reactions in Foma's original thread, if you like. Oh! or Dalas's quotes at the top of this one .

What Menace said: the contest was a sham. Yeah, and Dalas has every damned right to say so, too. And the way that Foma conducts his affairs is matter of public interest, so you really should be thanking him for bringing it to everyone's attention, actually.

And finallY: Dalas did try to sort it out privately, and he has made Foma aware of his views. Why are people assuming he didn't? Because they didn't he him doing it? Sheesh. Please look up the meaning of the word "privately"

jay

Oleg said:

I don't pay to go to work, but I would be disappointed if my employer used that as a reason not to pay me.

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Its a game...

jaywalker said:

A lot of people keep repeating that Foma didn;t break any rules. Well he did. Do you people think that the fact that he deleted those rules as he broke them makes that any better? Makes it all the worse in my book. Or do you just not beliieve all the people who say so? Or did you somehow miss those particular posts?

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That he (alledgedly) deleted (parts of) the rules does not allow the conclusion that he broke them.


But we are just repeating the same stuff over and over, we should maybe turn things around:

Please post the rules,
mark the ones foma alledgedly broke in red,
add some text to explain your PoV.

wizzszz said:

That he (alledgedly) deleted (parts of) the rules does not allow the conclusion that he broke them.


But we are just repeating the same stuff over and over, we should maybe turn things around:

Please post the rules,
mark the ones foma alledgedly broke in red,
add some text to explain your PoV.

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I wish that were possible, but you can surely see the difficulty there?

Most of us just have to go by memory , but somebody somewhere must have a copy.

Just hoping that copy will turn up soon

jay

jaywalker said:

I wish that were possible, but you can surely see the difficulty there?

Most of us just have to go by memory , but somebody somewhere must have a copy.

Just hoping that copy will turn up soon

jay

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Well, you (and those who support your point of view) should at least make an effort to re-create the "deleted" version of the rules, or check the thread if someone quoted the original opening post in it's entirety.

As things look now, you are blaming someone for breaking rules, but you can´t even remember how exactly these rules were... i guess you won't dispute that this is an invalid standpoint for a discussion (let alone claiming that he broke a rule that "yet has to be made up" or something).


I, for one, can't remember any "different" set of rules, and i have posted a couple of (not so serious) suggestions for a name there, too - but then again, i don't accuse foma of anything, and the burden of proof is not on me...

jaywalker said:

I wish that were possible, but you can surely see the difficulty there?

Most of us just have to go by memory , but somebody somewhere must have a copy.

Just hoping that copy will turn up soon

jay

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I think Moderators can see previous versions of posts, so you could ask John Capital or Hanne.

Dalas said:

Nice how people on the internet know more about your own experience, life and thought processes than yourself. What did I have for breakfast this morning then?

Completely wrong by the way, and it obviously shows you've never talked to me. There is more than one person posting far too much in this thread who are doing the same thing. They know who they are.

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Lol this is how I perceive it after reading what you had to say - this is the risk you take when you come out here on forum saying what you have to say ))

I have no hate for you but imho in this case you got mad for all the wrong reasons, and I would have respected it if u said no to money and made this post because of some principle but once you took the money u cant speak of principles, and being short on cash is no excuse, espetially in a computer game (not like you had to feed your hungry children with those peds) ))

wizzszz said:

I, for one, can't remember any "different" set of rules...

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Mega said:

I think Moderators can see previous versions of posts, so you could ask John Capital or Hanne.

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Since I was asked about this, I checked the edits of the original event posts. There are no changes in rules or anything else that drastically altered the results or intentions of the event maker as I can see it.

In fact, the main comment about the prizes seem to still be there:

pesok said:

Since the 1st place winner doesnt even have an account in EU i decided to increase the prize money allocated for this event and award 2nd prize among actual EU players that somehow guided me and apparently her in picking the final name!

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I'd say that's pretty straightforward.

However, I do have to ask if Dalas had talked to Foma privately about his misgivings before making this public. If he has and mentioned it in this thread, I apologize. I have not been paying close attention to this.

JohnCapital said:

Since I was asked about this, I checked the edits of the original event posts. There are no changes in rules or anything else that drastically altered the results or intentions of the event maker as I can see it.

In fact, the main comment about the prizes seem to still be there:



I'd say that's pretty straightforward.

However, I do have to ask if Dalas had talked to Foma privately about his misgivings before making this public. If he has and mentioned it in this thread, I apologize. I have not been paying close attention to this.

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For me personally whether anything has been changed or not my basic view hasnt changed, I still feel that a cheap move was made for such an expensive investment with presumably the wish for a long term relationship!

xX Gently Xx said:

Lol this is how I perceive it after reading what you had to say - this is the risk you take when you come out here on forum saying what you have to say ))

I have no hate for you but imho in this case you got mad for all the wrong reasons, and I would have respected it if u said no to money and made this post because of some principle but once you took the money u cant speak of principles, and being short on cash is no excuse, espetially in a computer game (not like you had to feed your hungry children with those peds) ))

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Ok, no worries. I didn't start this thread to make enemies anyway.

If you want to say I "got mad" for the wrong reasons, that's fine. My reasons are my own. Same goes for talking about principles. I understood long before this thread was started that I would come under fire about taking the money and then posting about it. The way I believe I can justify that (at least to myself, I don't mind how you view it) is that I wanted to expose this competition for what it was, and not simply let it die down, especially after what happened, not only to myself, about the so-called 5000 ped.

There are records of the original rules as far as forums go, however since it was not an expected turn of events that Foma would introduce a real life friend into the equation between when the competition ended and he actually got around to writing down the prize amounts, no one questioned his sincerity and there was no reason to save a copy of the rules for anyone.


Let's hope that record turns up, because it's more than one person who remembers it...

Dalas said:

There are records of the original rules as far as forums go, however since it was not an expected turn of events that Foma would introduce a real life friend into the equation between when the competition ended and he actually got around to writing down the prize amounts, no one questioned his sincerity and there was no reason to save a copy of the rules for anyone.


Let's hope that record turns up, because it's more than one person who remembers it...

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There is no "mystical record" that will all of a sudden prove you right - see here:

JohnCapital said:

Since I was asked about this, I checked the edits of the original event posts. There are no changes in rules or anything else that drastically altered the results or intentions of the event maker as I can see it.

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And another thing you have missed (something i have asked twice already, too):

JohnCapital said:

However, I do have to ask if Dalas had talked to Foma privately about his misgivings before making this public. If he has and mentioned it in this thread, I apologize. I have not been paying close attention to this.

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Dalas, I think it is time to end this charade now
And as you are so much into fairness, i think we can expect an apology from you, as you have falsely accused foma of changing the rules in his favour.

wizzszz said:

Well, you (and those who support your point of view) should at least make an effort to re-create the "deleted" version of the rules, or check the thread if someone quoted the original opening post in it's entirety.

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Not necessarily supporting Dalas, but the rule that I think is broken was the rule that said something along the lines that you had to post your suggestion in "this thread" (not this one, but Foma's thread, duh) to be eligible for the competition. It was ok to suggest names outside the thread, but that wont make the name a win.

Foma gave a laptop to someone who coincidentally(?) suggested the winning name. That is very kind of him, and totally OK to do as well.
However by announcing this person as the winner and claiming that the main price was said laptop, he broke his own rule - or that's how I see things.

IMO giving Dalas 400 ped is a bit lame, given that Foma himself refers to the asteroid as "fortuna", but not against the rules. Announcing that laptop to be the main prise was a very bad move, silly PR and a violation of that one rule.

That's all folks, nothing more to say ;-)

JohnCapital said:

Since I was asked about this, I checked the edits of the original event posts. There are no changes in rules or anything else that drastically altered the results or intentions of the event maker as I can see it.

In fact, the main comment about the prizes seem to still be there:



I'd say that's pretty straightforward.

However, I do have to ask if Dalas had talked to Foma privately about his misgivings before making this public. If he has and mentioned it in this thread, I apologize. I have not been paying close attention to this.

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Thanks very much, John, for looking into this so promptly. However, I'm sure you've missed something. Perhaps it was separated from the prize "rules". Nobody suggested that part had been changed (the debate there concerned how to interpret was was written)

Now, the part that coveniently disappeared concerned what would be deemed a valid entry. Foma was very specific about this and stipulated that only entries that were posted in that thread , and nowhere else, would be eligle for a prize. Entries by PM, or any other means, would not qualify. He was even careful to stipulate that each suggestion should be made in a seperate post (you might recall that someone got reported for spamming, because they followed this rule! ) and that modified posts would be disqualified.

I'm quite sure that I couldn't have imagined or misremberered all that. And it would be extraordinary if not only I, but several other people had exactly the same delusion about it. That information is there. Please find it.


jay

Basically seems to me a long whine over something that likely never happened, and is a bit of a figment of the OP's imagination. I mean come on, he is trademarking the word fortune and is being pissy that that claim is not being recognized. The buyer is a well know and respected member of EU, and would not have gone through a lot of trouble to not pay a highly trivial sum out. If he wanted to pay it to some girl offline for fun or any other reason, I am sure he would have done so.

Probably good idea for mods to lock this stuff down in my opinion only of course.

Kombinator said:

Basically seems to me a long whine over something that likely never happened

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Based on what? I see more evidence of Dalas being right, and just because a person is famous or rich doesnt mean that he is not the one who is doing wrong...

JohnCapital said:

Since I was asked about this, I checked the edits of the original event posts. There are no changes in rules or anything else that drastically altered the results or intentions of the event maker as I can see it.

In fact, the main comment about the prizes seem to still be there:



I'd say that's pretty straightforward.

However, I do have to ask if Dalas had talked to Foma privately about his misgivings before making this public. If he has and mentioned it in this thread, I apologize. I have not been paying close attention to this.

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Ok J.C, thanks for looking but is there any way to get all edits of the first and second posts more thoroughly, or can you possibly post the entire edit from just before the prize announcement edit? Of course no one can remember exactly what date the remembered part of the rules were posted and deleted, but surely they should've been in the first post (maybe second).

For the people in doubt, if it turns out that no edit contains Foma saying that entries should be posted in this thread, it still doesn't add up that the prizes given were of no significant value when compared to the touted total prize (which, if you want to get nitty gritty, were supposed to have been given in PEDs, which do not exist outside of Entropia Universe).

And J.C - I posted in Foma's thread. When I spotted my "Fortuna" in the update notes, I went back to the forum to post that my "Fortuna" part had been chosen which I thought meant that I had won the competition. After that and the prizes being announced, I sat there in shock when this Adeli name popped out of nowhere. Also, Foma said do not PM him about prizes.

Then, after a month of considering and discussing what my next move would be, I met up with Foma to claim my prize before I opened my mouth and damned my chance of getting anything for the name that I would, with some bitterness, forever see spamming the HoF list. Might as well get something out of it, right?

When I met Foma, he claimed not to know who I was, despite the last 10 pages of his thread being almost exclusively about me. He acted pleased to see me (I doubt that was the case) and as if absolutely nothing was amiss. I let him know while I was there who I was and that he could add me to FL if he wanted to give me the rest of the prize. To this he shockingly said... Nothing. This was enough for me to understand that he has no intention of accepting, thinking about, or coming to terms with this situation. Motivation enough for me to want to get this public and not just let him waltz off without getting some kind of circumstance popping up.

Dalas said:

Ok J.C, thanks for looking but is there any way to get all edits of the first and second posts more thoroughly, or can you possibly post the entire edit from just before the prize announcement edit? Of course no one can remember exactly what date the remembered part of the rules were posted and deleted, but surely they should've been in the first post (maybe second).

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https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...5000-peds!!!&p=2606087&viewfull=1#post2606087

based on that post i would say they were in the second.. which apparently never got quoted.

While it is highly unusual for mods to have to check post edits, there is a good reason they are kept.

The main rules during the contest (discarding rewrites/spelling edits/etc.) were thus:

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1) No Curse Words(obvious reason)
2) No Joking names(yes i find the jokes funny but trust me heard of all them by now-although its still ok to put them here for a comic relief-just dont expect to win)
3) No Trademarked/Copyrighted names (and no "that" company will not pay me to name the Asteroid after their name) and remember Entropia is a copyrighted name.
4) You can make as many suggestions as you'd like
5) In English only please
6) Please limit to 10(ten) words - its a name not a declaration of independence
7) First person to post will win the prize(in case several posts suggest the same name)
8) One name/idea per post - can post as many times as you have ideas
9) There is no time limit as of now - it will end when i feel satisfied in the name i have selected
10) please no PM's/Ingame chats(unless you not contending for a prize) - post all your ideas here - otherwise can be hard to determine the winner

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The one that seems to be in contention is Rule #10

wizzszz said:

There is no "mystical record" that will all of a sudden prove you right - see here:

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I am sorry wizzszz, but this is faulty reasoning.

All that quote proves is that JohnCapital cant find a rule that, in his interpretation, makes a difference.

As you can clearly read in JohnCapital's later post, rule 10 is what is being discussed.

Thanks a lot for digging this up John, it must clear discussion 'somewhat'

I've been following this posts discussion and it's amazing how dead seat both sides are at who's right/wrong. I don't know either sides of the argument personally, so my opinion is just that, not a personal attack at anyone.

I have to agree that the OP has a valid argument about this competition. I vaguely recall the rules about the competition and there was a section about posts having to be on this forum, along with finer details such as no PM's, edits, etc.

I do see the other side of the argument (very lawyerly) that with a nice play of words, you can bend/twist/manipulate what was actually said within the stated rules to free yourself of any commitment/obligaiton. Not to say that's what's happened, but that is my observation...unless Foma can come here and clarify what the real deal is, it's never going to resolve itself.

True Inspiration. This competition was looking for creative minds to come up with a fancy/flashy title to go with a HUGE investment, and a lot of great minds came together. What bugs me about all this drama is the fact that there was NO TRUE INSPIRATION from an 'supposed' RL friend. It was a play of words already suggested...FOMA by the owner, and Fortuna by the OP.

The big stink about all this is the 'fairness' of the competition. I'd cry foul just as the OP did if "my" idea was taken, fluffed up, repackaged, and presented as an original to win the competition...only then to realize that the winner is a phantom....who in all likelyhood, was made up. (not advocating that this is the case, but I see the merrit of bringing it up)

Wow.

Now, I have never met Dalas before, but I really have heard nothing but good things about him - how he's quite generous and very helpful, etc. from other people who do know him. I have, however, met John before, and have never had any sort of problems with him. He was always very sweet and kind and respectful, and I've not heard of any problems with him prior to these postings regarding this event.

With that being said, I'm not going to bash nor defend either of them, really, but I do think there have been some mistakes on both sides of this, and I think both sides should take steps to reconcile these issues.

I think John's biggest mistake was that if there was a chance of him not choosing a name directly from those suggested in the contest thread, and that he would indeed consider accepting and giving a prize for suggestions that came from elsewhere, that he should have posted a disclaimer stating this fact. While the rules obviously stated that he would give runner-up prizes to anyone that came up with a particularly creative name or to anyone giving part of the chosen name, and he did stick to this rule entirely (nowhere did he promise that he WOULD give a runner up 4k PED, he simply gave a very broad range for runner-up prizes,) he does need to realize that the majority of the contest participants would probably view it as unfair and feel a bit jilted when he hands out prizes that tally up to around 30% of what the possible top runner-up prize would be. Another mistake could be allowing this thread to go on for this long without trying to at least contact Dalas to speak with him privately. (I actually think it could end up being a bigger mistake if he tries to make a public statement regarding this issue without trying to resolve it with the affected party first.)

On the other side, I don't see any indication whatsoever of Dalas trying to come to some resolution regarding this issue without turning it into a big public display. His first opportunity to do so was when he went to accept the prize money he actually did receive, but he could very well have still tried to do so any time afterwards if he felt that he wasn't quite ready to discuss his feelings at that time. For this reason, I also think that some of the vehemence and spitefulness is quite unwarranted. So many people these days seem to want to publicly cry that they are the victim of a wolf, just to try to drum up public support because they don't have any courage to deal with the issue or take any responsibility on their own... and it's quite unflattering, really. I don't think this was Dalas's intention, but this is how it has come across to a lot of people, and this is why he's getting so many negative responses even though he's not entirely wrong to feel jilted. Now, if he had gone and spoken directly to John in person, and still felt cheated afterwards, then depending on the circumstance and contents of their conversation, he could have perhaps come to the forum to ask for support or for opinions on the matter. It just doesn't seem that this matter has quite been handled properly.

What I would like to see, is these two seemingly decent gentlemen get together with one another and deal with this issue like real men, and since this issue has already been made very public, perhaps, at minimal, post a statement saying that the issue has been resolved once they have concluded this disagreement.

My word: Foma owes Dalas 3.6k ped.....nothing more to say.

JohnCapital said:

While it is highly unusual for mods to have to check post edits, there is a good reason they are kept.

The main rules during the contest (discarding rewrites/spelling edits/etc.) were thus:

pesok said:

1) No Curse Words(obvious reason)
2) No Joking names(yes i find the jokes funny but trust me heard of all them by now-although its still ok to put them here for a comic relief-just dont expect to win)
3) No Trademarked/Copyrighted names (and no "that" company will not pay me to name the Asteroid after their name) and remember Entropia is a copyrighted name.
4) You can make as many suggestions as you'd like
5) In English only please
6) Please limit to 10(ten) words - its a name not a declaration of independence
7) First person to post will win the prize(in case several posts suggest the same name)
8) One name/idea per post - can post as many times as you have ideas
9) There is no time limit as of now - it will end when i feel satisfied in the name i have selected
10) please no PM's/Ingame chats(unless you not contending for a prize) - post all your ideas here - otherwise can be hard to determine the winner

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The one that seems to be in contention is Rule #10

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Silver Ice said:

I think John's biggest mistake was that if there was a chance of him not choosing a name directly from those suggested in the contest thread, and that he would indeed consider accepting and giving a prize for suggestions that came from elsewhere, that he should have posted a disclaimer stating this fact.

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There was no such disclaimer as this could not happen at all - see the above quoted rule 10.

Silver Ice said:

What I would like to see, is these two seemingly decent gentlemen get together with one another and deal with this issue like real men, and since this issue has already been made very public, perhaps, at minimal, post a statement saying that the issue has been resolved once they have concluded this disagreement.

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thumbs up. second that.

JohnCapital said:

While it is highly unusual for mods to have to check post edits, there is a good reason they are kept.

The main rules during the contest (discarding rewrites/spelling edits/etc.) were thus:



The one that seems to be in contention is Rule #10

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I'd say rule #5 is also at issue.. since the word is quite latin/spanish.

Silver, that makes a lot of sense. It's nice to see such a level-headed view shining through. I think the thread was getting a bit heated.

For the record, I am perfectly willing to talk with Foma in a cool, calm and collected manner, even despite my seemingly "vehement" post. Guess I'm just good at sounding pissed off online. In person though I'm a lot more chilled than I come off here.

My only issue is that when meeting Foma, he claimed not to know who I was, which I find quite impossible given the state of the end of his thread and the neg-reps he gave out with regards to people being upset that I personally did not get what they thought I deserved. He must know who I am, and if he's willing to put what I perceived to be false pretences behind, or simply realise who he is dealing with, then I'm perfectly ready to deal


Cheers.

PS. Nihilist, it's also a name, which can be said in any language.

Dalas said:

PS. Nihilist, it's also a name, which can be said in any language.

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hah just trying to make light jokes of the situation - ; )

cheers mate.. can't give you anymore rep till i spread it.

Give this man some rep

10) please no PM's/Ingame chats(unless you not contending for a prize) - post all your ideas here - otherwise can be hard to determine the winner

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Thank you for pointing this out; I missed it. It still, however, does not say that he definitely would pick a name from this thread, and while it suggests that it would be difficult to choose/prove a winner from outside sources, it does not rule them out. He still should have put a disclaimer, probably something to the tune of: "I reserve the right to choose a name of my own if I so desire or decide I don't want to choose any of the suggested names, and while I prefer that all entries be made into this thread, suggestions from elsewhere will not be excluded from the competition."

Since he did not do this, however, it is not entirely wrong for the participants of the competition to feel that they have been cheated or that the contest was a sham. It was indeed very misleading, the way the rules were written, but this is why disclaimers and fine print exist... so that there can be no argument over the final outcome. What he did, was leave room for ambiguity in the rules, for both the participants and himself.

dolera said:

I am sorry wizzszz, but this is faulty reasoning.

All that quote proves is that JohnCapital cant find a rule that, in his interpretation, makes a difference.

As you can clearly read in JohnCapital's later post, rule 10 is what is being discussed.

Thanks a lot for digging this up John, it must clear discussion 'somewhat'

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Faulty reasoning? Do you have reading comprehension problems?
Rule 10 asks for "no entries via PM or ingame", because it is hard to keep track of all the messages.
It does NOT state that participants outside of EU can't take part.

However, no matter how you interprete rule #10, it DOES NOT AFFECT Dalas or his prize!

dolera said:

There was no such disclaimer as this could not happen at all - see the above quoted rule 10.

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Bullcrap - there was no rule that forced him to pick a name from this thread.

And he could have named his rock "Planet Smurf" and not pay out a single PEC.