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Meculus

Meculus

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I have always tried to be transparent in my event and promotion business here in EU, so I guess that's why I decided to make this post. I happened upon a blog from my friend Narfi who interviewed the folks at Digital Abduction and considering there is some controversy surrounding them that I got an earful of when I started assisting them with event promotion I thought I'd post the link here for all to have a look. I am a strong supporter of independent entities in EU providing they conduct themselves professionally and with concern for the community, this can bring in more funds for all so MA doesn't have to take them from the loot pool ;) Have a look at the interview if you care to, thanks for getting some answers Narfi, oh and I left my favorite beer coozie on RT, you mind FedExing that back to me when you see this?

http://narfi-willem.blogspot.com/
 
Thanks for sharing :)
Ill be doing a more extensive interview with them in a couple of weeks.
Hopefully their new site will have enough info that I can ask relevant questions :)

narfi
 
While it does sound interesting and like DA could be a good thing for RockTropia, I am still not really sure how I feel about them...

I do feel they should keep a lower profile in trading, specifically when it comes to buying sweat at those prices. Even if they do want to increase player retention there has to be a better way to do that than to artificially raise the sweat price by offering a "premium price" for it. As they are a company working with the game and with the planet partner in a way, they obviously have more resources than the average player.



Also, it says they work as a third party provider to Neverdie, but I would like to know more details about how closely they work.

If they have any type of (developer) info (given by ND) not available to all players, they should not be allowed to play in such a free way (like for example getting discoveries). If they do not, I guess there will not be any harm if DMA keeps getting discoveries, but this relationship between the two entities should be laid out in such a way so that there can be no doubt about the fairness in participation between players, ND and DMA.



That said, I do know that some people will overanalyze this and start complaining (please do not, as that obviously is not the topic of the thread). about how I am anti-RT or whatever, while I am not.

Also, I have nothing against ND/NDS/DMA/planet partners in general creating and running events for players, it is simply economical aspects I am a bit wary about and that should be clarified in such a way that it doesn't hurt the trust we players put in the planet partners (and their partners).
 
Lol!!!
He made events with over 10k ped prizes, but with inside info he made 60k from selling the scanners. They may claim they had no inside info. Everyone potentially involved can claim they play fair. But as far as I am concerned, they are cheaters. Their reputation will never be clear in my eyes as long as they serve us BS stories. I do not trust them. Or Rocktropia. Or whoever is connected in any way with NEVERDIE. If this interview was supposed to clear out whatever was to be cleared... all I can say is that it did not.
 
BlackHawk said:
but with inside info he made 60k from selling the scanners.
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How can you say such ridiculous things ? :scratch2:

I search every where your post when FPC organised event on Eomon (if i well remember the mob name) and that it was possible to loot plenty of FAP-90 (i looted 5 myself). The price of FAP-90 before this FPC event was 1 800 peds, after this event it has fall to 500 peds ... I search every where is your post shouting against this but i can't find it ... so strange ..
 
BlackHawk said:
with inside info he made 60k from selling the scanners.
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You cant say something like that unless you are prepared to back it up with solid evidence.
 
dilly said:
You cant say something like that unless you are prepared to back it up with solid evidence.
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People like this Black Hawk are just liars ... He will never show any evidence has he knows himself that he lies !

It is the same kind of people who say that we get shop for free on RT... just liairs who like to create rumors (2 booths were given for free on RT, thats all, ... and it was to thanks 2 people who helped the communitiy ... how many Reward armors were distributed by MA ?)

Nothing to do with such people
 
I would have liked at least one more question to be asked ... whatever happened to the press release that DAMgr said he was going to publish that would explain everything that happened over a few days when the ES500's were dropping ... we've never seen that, and it would be nice to get that explanation. Perhaps Narfi can ask when he does his more extensive interview.
 
MindStar9 said:
I would have liked at least one more question to be asked ... whatever happened to the press release that DAMgr said he was going to publish that would explain everything that happened over a few days when the ES500's were dropping ... we've never seen that, and it would be nice to get that explanation. Perhaps Narfi can ask when he does his more extensive interview.
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Yeah, thats the only question i wanted answered :silly2:
 
BlackHawk said:
Lol!!!
He made events with over 10k ped prizes, but with inside info he made 60k from selling the scanners. They may claim they had no inside info. Everyone potentially involved can claim they play fair. But as far as I am concerned, they are cheaters. Their reputation will never be clear in my eyes as long as they serve us BS stories. I do not trust them. Or Rocktropia. Or whoever is connected in any way with NEVERDIE. If this interview was supposed to clear out whatever was to be cleared... all I can say is that it did not.
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Yes!!!

dilly said:
You cant say something like that unless you are prepared to back it up with solid evidence.
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No, Dilly you became blind RT defender.... i dont care really. But you are showing this in every post you make..

Blind defending of ND and Rocktropia..

Mitch113 said:
People like this Black Hawk are just liars ... He will never show any evidence has he knows himself that he lies !

It is the same kind of people who say that we get shop for free on RT... just liairs who like to create rumors (2 booths were given for free on RT, thats all, ... and it was to thanks 2 people who helped the communitiy ... how many Reward armors were distributed by MA ?)

Nothing to do with such people
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Sweet a noob!

MindStar9 said:
I would have liked at least one more question to be asked ... whatever happened to the press release that DAMgr said he was going to publish that would explain everything that happened over a few days when the ES500's were dropping ... we've never seen that, and it would be nice to get that explanation. Perhaps Narfi can ask when he does his more extensive interview.
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Yes, Yes and Yes.. This is the only answer we are waiting for... And of course we will never get it..

So i am saying the same as blackhaw, stay from these people.. They are just cheaters and liars ;)
 
it's not very much of an interview.

I would be more interested in how this model works with this artist (whom I'm never heard of) and this label (which I've also never heard of). a commercial organization cannot continually give out 'freebies' and subsidize the vibrant sweat market unless they are being funded.

is the income from a land area sufficient to do this? probably not. are the artists paying for this organization to promote them? if so, how do other artists become involved and what is required of them? do they have a list of artists and music they've successfully promoted?

anyways, perhaps the next interview or the website will answer some of these questions.
 
PW3CKA said:
No, Dilly you became blind RT defender.... i dont care really. But you are showing this in every post you make..

Blind defending of ND and Rocktropia..
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No P3WK4K3KA you are the blind one. You are happy to jump on any bandwagon of genuine concern to make blind assumptions with no evidence. Your last post proves this to be true.

Every negative post regarding RT you blindly shout YES YES YES!!

Blackhawk has no evidence for his accusations but still you shout YES YES YES!!

Show me the solid evidence, and I will shut up.
 
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dilly said:
No P3WK4K3KA you are the blind one. You are happy to jump on any bandwagon of genuine concern to make blind assumptions with no evidence. Your last post proves this to be true.

Show me the solid evidence, and I will shut up.
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Is not the thread about ES500 enough?

Guy claiming to loot i dont know how many of them, then when it cames out he is from DA, he said something about planned event, and that these drops were DA event. And that DA will release some comments regarding this?

And now? silence...

So ND "official" partner plans event where ES500 should drop , and their manager just loot 80% of them?
It this is normal for you we can be happy that you stay on RT :D

And i am not mentioning ND lowering the price of ES500 to 0!!! in his bank, few days before they dropped...
This is confirmed by people who were used to pawn es500 there and were supprised why ND lowered the price..

So you are blind or you just don't want to see the problem...
 
PW3CKA said:
No, Dilly you became blind RT defender.... i dont care really. But you are showing this in every post you make..

Blind defending of ND and Rocktropia..

Yes, Yes and Yes.. This is the only answer we are waiting for... And of course we will never get it..
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It is not question to defend or not ... If I say you stole 100 000 peds i must give a minimum of proof ... and to say he resell for 60 K is just a lie ... And all these people shouting about ES500 i search their posts shouting against MA who introduced plenty of FAP90, less than 2 years ago, on an event, making the price fall from 1.8 K to 0.5 K per fap ... I search but i can't find ... memory leak ...

Main problem is that old players do not want ubber items to be looted again because it decrease the assets they have. It is a problem between them and MA, does not concern any body else. But they prefer to shout against the not responsable peoples instead to deal with MA WHO IS THE ONLY ONE to decides loots ...
 
Mitch113 said:
It is not question to defend or not ... If I say you stole 100 000 peds i must give a minimum of proof ... And all these people shouting about ES500 i search their posts shouting against MA who introduced plenty of FAP90, less than 2 years ago, on an event, making the price fall from 1.8 K to 0.5 K per fap ... I search but i can't find ... memory leak ...

Main problem is that old players do not want ubber items to be looted again because it decrease the assets they have. It is a problem between them and MA, does not concern any body else. But they prefer to shout against the not responsable peoples instead to deal with MA WHO IS THE ONLY ONE to decides loots ...
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Main problem is that you have not seen the thread related to this.. Do some searching on this forum about ES500.

And see my comment above about what happened...


Make some research before you start calling people liars... kkthxbb
 
dilly said:
No P3WK4K3KA you are the blind one. You are happy to jump on any bandwagon of genuine concern to make blind assumptions with no evidence. Your last post proves this to be true.

Every negative post regarding RT you blindly shout YES YES YES!!

Blackhawk has no evidence for his accusations but still you shout YES YES YES!!

Show me the solid evidence, and I will shut up.
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First of all, you do not NEED solid evidence. We are not police. Or FBI. Or whatever.
Rocktropia is a business. In some places, some action can be legal, so I can not say that what they did is legal or not. But for sure it is not okay with ME. I do not care about what other people think. Some may agree with me, and some may not.

However, fact is that he admits to be close to game developer. He also admits that his actions are in a certain way specially oriented to make the planet a success. To keep people in. And he also admits he plays the game and is an active part of the universe.



Such an avatar should not be alowed to do ANYTHING on the market. His actions are not the actions of a normal player. From all I know, he can go and do things no normal player would ever do, activities with huge risk no other player would try, and if they work, he would take advantage of that. His gains are not ONLY the gains of a normal avatar. He would gain a lot by doing retarded things simply from motivating other people to copy him. So he has a huge impact on the market. Having potentially unlimited funds to do whatever he wants. If things do not work out, ND studios can just make him another land someplace....


So I do have a problem with that. You don't? I am happy for you. In fact, to be honest, i want more people like you in game. You are a gold mine. I love you so much.

And probably he loves you more...
 
BlackHawk said:
First of all, you do not NEED solid evidence. We are not police. Or FBI. Or whatever.
Rocktropia is a business
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^ No need to take this guy seriously, move along people ^

So you are drawing your own conclusions, with no evidence, just hearsay. Just as I thought. :laugh:

Selling tissues and tin foil hats @ TP
 
If MA wanted too, they can provide all the evidence needed, probably enough to send some of their employees to jail for racketeering. If the public wishes to speculate, by all means, lets inflate the number till the truth comes out. Whats that I hear, the silence of guilt? Guinness book, I think you have been scammed.
 
BlackHawk said:
Lol!!!
but with inside info he made 60k from selling the scanners.
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BlackHawk said:
First of all, you do not NEED solid evidence. We are not police. Or FBI.
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My point is you cannot, or at least should not state claims as serious as that as fact if you do not know for certain that they are fact. You should expect to be questioned if you provide no proof.
 
PW3CKA said:
Main problem is that you have not seen the thread related to this.. Do some searching on this forum about ES500.

And see my comment above about what happened...


Make some research before you start calling people liars... kkthxbb
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I know this thread better than you ... I read it many time even if i decided to not post myself ... you just make your own conclusions with false data and decides that it is truth ...
It is not because this thread is a concentration of lies that it make it true ...
 
Mitch113 said:
I know this thread better than you ... I read it many time even if i decided to not post myself ... you just make your own conclusions with false data and decides that it is truth ...
It is not because this thread is a concentration of lies that it make it true ...
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The truth about that thread is that their actions made people think like that. They cast doubt over their business. Is a choice they have to live with. You can't be a player and a partner and just get away with that and expect people to just not say anything.

In my opinion, one must make a choice. You provide the service, or you use the service. Dealers that are using end up bad in all the movies... they should know... they are in the industry.
 
so... uh, let me get this straight... All Planet Partner Employees simply need to sign up as a 'third party contractor' and still collect their paycheck to get around the clause in the Planet Partner contract that says that planet partners and their 'employees' can't participate?!?... Hmm.... Seems like there's a need for some clarification on that front from MA itself!
 
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99921,00.html

Under common-law rules, anyone who performs services for you is your employee if you can control what will be done and how it will be done. This is so even when you give the employee freedom of action. What matters is that you have the right to control the details of how the services are performed.
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Therefore an avatar that works this closely with a planet partner primarily in the planet itself as an avatar would have to be an employee since the planet partner and mindark itself can control what will be done and how?... There might be sme freedom of action, but the actions of avatars have to be controlled by the game engine that they completely control the details of how services are performed in that game engine since they control the coding to it and maintain the database that shows the history of transactions in that game engine, etc.

Introducing ND to an artist sure sounds like a job... like a PR job or agent type job to be exact.

Similarly, Arkadia's Planet Partner can control what and how they use the money donated to them by Deathifier, so investors are arguably employees (or at least their money is), but that's a thread for another day....

I'm no lawyer, but if you disagree, why? What in DA's description of himself classifies him as a third party contractor instead of an employee? Even if he is a third party to NDS, he can't be a third party to MA, or at least the avatar he's running on their server can't be.
 
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Meculus said:
I have always tried to be transparent in my event and promotion business here in EU, so I guess that's why I decided to make this post.
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This shows good business initiative on your part. :cool:



Meculus said:
I ...interviewed the folks at Digital Abduction and considering there is some controversy surrounding them that I got an earful of when I started assisting them with event promotion I thought I'd post the link here for all to have a look.
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Next step would be to evaluate why you got an earful, and decide if you want to continue assisting "DA".
 
BlackHawk said:
but with inside info he made 60k from selling the scanners.
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dilly said:
You cant say something like that unless you are prepared to back it up with solid evidence.
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No, but we can do some research and deductive reasoning.

We know that "scanner day" was Feb. 22. Here's what DAManager said then. (bold by me)

DAManager said:
Yes, the ES500 are looting on rocktropia. What mob is up to you to figure out. I was the very first one to loot and sell on auction. I listed it for a buyout of 3500peds and someone purchased it within minutes.
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OK, so we know he sold his 1st scanner for 3,500.

Auction stats says 47 of the 500s sold this year. If we remove the 8 from the past month (2 this week) 39 left that sold.

Sales data also say the price dropped to ~+2,200. So let's ASSume an average price from 3,500 to 2,200, or 2,850 per scanner.

Let's also pretend that 1/2 the scanner sold were his. Call it 19 scanners. I know from his sales thread that a few also direct, so we can assume 19 isn't a bad guess.

So we have 19 scanners @ 2,850 each or 54,150.

We can safely assume he also made a bit selling the 400s (roughly 600-700 each avg.) and 300s (call them 200 each). Safe to ASSume another 3k there.

So his 60k mark isn't exactly too far off of a reasonable analysis.

However, let's say that only 10 500s sold. That's 28,500, plus the 400/300s so 30k.

Anyway you look at it, it was a good day for him. Especially since they happen to fall from a mob that was on his LA. (taxes from other players looting them)




As for this interview, it not an interview, it's a marketing ad. There's no information given about the "questionable" situation that occurred.

Almost 2 months since they said they'd release an explanation and waiting.
 
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JohnCapital said:
Anyway you look at it, it was a good day for him. Especially since they happen to fall from a mob that was on his LA. (taxes from other players looting them)
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JC, you are smarter than this.
I cant speak for them because I don't really know them, but I can, and have, and will point out discrepancies in what people base their theories on.

I know of 3 land areas that they manage. 1 is the shark land area which also has a Very low density low maturity spawn of zombies. (basically puny mobs) The other 2 have no mobs or low density low maturity zombies. (this was their state in the opening days of the vu in question, I haven't gone back to check recently since Ive mostly been hunting and not much point in hunting empty land areas)

I have great respect for what you do here, it is a thankless job. But it also comes with responsibility. What you post is given more authority and credibility than what anyone else would post.
You of all people should know better than to take up the pitchfork from the guy beside you and chase after this weeks target.

Nothing wrong with using facts, but when your source is a lynch mob then you make yourself look foolish by using them without checking them out first. But even more importantly you give credibility to the lies told by others. This hurts the future of the game, and it hurts individuals.

narfi
 
Chrome said:
Next step would be to evaluate why you got an earful, and decide if you want to continue assisting "DA".
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Something still to be determined indeed, all of my personal interactions with DA have been positive is what I do know, I see him on RT engaging people and trying to help the new player base. The other speculations on corrupt activities deserve some attention though which I trust will be handled after they get their launch underway and become more transparent in their activities. I will leave it to DA to address the community on his own behalf since I am simply an observer in this specific scenario.
 
narfi said:
Nothing wrong with using facts, but when your source is a lynch mob then you make yourself look foolish by using them without checking them out first. But even more importantly you give credibility to the lies told by others. This hurts the future of the game, and it hurts individuals.

narfi
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Um but the source for this is the man himself, not a lynch mob.
 
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