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on the website faq for accounts:

Can I apply for more than one account?

It is not possible to have more than one account active at any time. The avatar you create will represent you in the Entropia Universe. When you start interacting with other avatars, they will get to know you by the appearance and name of your avatar
 
forgo said:
on the website faq for accounts:

Can I apply for more than one account?

It is not possible to have more than one account active at any time. The avatar you create will represent you in the Entropia Universe. When you start interacting with other avatars, they will get to know you by the appearance and name of your avatar
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It is very possible and the fact that you can register the same name, address, phone number, date of birth and password as many times as you like shows they do nothing to discourage it and why would they? It inflates their player numbers.
 
Oh dont get me wrong im not saying its not possible, or not in place for others already, we all know it is. Just that by doing so, MA could turn on you if they wanted and revoke accounts, prohibt withdrawls ect.

Thats my main point is that its technically a risk. We all know though that so far only a handful of accounts/players have been negatively subject to the multiple account risk. For the most part though, it seems to be common that its not a major concern of MA's.

And as far as the eula, while not specifically mentioned, it is implied/protected by the terms used. Lawyers have a way with words, one word can make a major difference in a document. examples....

Participant acknowledges that he or she shall have only a limited, non-exclusive, license to use Entropia Universe

Your interactions will be through an "Avatar", or virtual persona/alter-ego, and is regulated by the Rules of Conduct section below.

very subtle, but usable if they needed to back bannings from 2nd accounts in court.
 
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ViagraFalls said:
I recall someone telling me there has been a thread where quote by MA was made or quoted saying secondary avatars are officially allowed.

Can anyone confirm this, or point me to the thread in question?

Thanks.
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Let's put it this way...having scanned the EULA over and over, 2nd avatars are NOT prohibited by the agreement I sign...
 
forgo said:
on the website faq for accounts:

Can I apply for more than one account?

It is not possible to have more than one account active at any time. The avatar you create will represent you in the Entropia Universe. When you start interacting with other avatars, they will get to know you by the appearance and name of your avatar
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My question about a 2nd or even 3rd avy is this, If i have 3 avy and 3 computers and all avys are supplied with the exact same information, save for the login and password how could MA ever prove I don't have 2 other members of my family or friends playing EU at my home at the same time :wise: . IMO they can't. And on a side note just how does MA define active account, is an account that is currently ingame or an account that just exists
 
Well they couldnt determine that but....

You also understand that you cannot divulge your account information, including the login and/or password to anyone.

would go against that defense. :)

and an account is technically active until cancelled, so regardless of ingame status, the account is seperate from activity of the account.

Remember im just pointing out that they could choose to take action against it and be protected, it is generally not thier policy to enforce it, and as far as I know, they only have done so when abuse was in place. So 2nd+ avvys would most likely not be challenged, unless you give them a reason to.
 
forgo said:
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And as far as the eula, while not specifically mentioned, it is implied/protected by the terms used. Lawyers have a way with words, one word can make a major difference in a document. examples....

Participant acknowledges that he or she shall have only a limited, non-exclusive, license to use Entropia Universe

Your interactions will be through an "Avatar", or virtual persona/alter-ego, and is regulated by the Rules of Conduct section below.

very subtle, but usable if they needed to back bannings from 2nd accounts in court.
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exactly, it is implied. and you neatly raise the issue of legality. Judges dont like implied clauses in contracts - say what you mean and mean what you say. they could put in a clause explictly stating that all participant may only register for a single account and creating a new one without locking/deleting the first is prohibited. They has no such clause, therefore they are not banning 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) avatars and merely discouraging them.

btw the examples here are poor. the first one is indicating that you are sharing the service with other players, the second is guidance.

the most relevent clause is section two:

...Upon completing the registration process, you will receive a password and account that is uniquely associated with your participation. All of your access to the system will be through that account, except as otherwise set forth in this Agreement. ...

But even here, the "unique association" only implies that each account is unique and does not explicitly prohibit more than one.
 
Another and one of the more valid reasons to have a second avatar is for estate management.

such avatar might be a pilot so that the person's main avatar doesnt have to be inconvieneinced when the ship is needed.
Also to to have as an avatar to hold teh deed to your shed if you own a shed area. That way you can have a dedicated avatar to maintain the shopkeepers for your land area(s).

I forsee the need for other addional avatars for people to manage different business as the infrastructure is provided for those business.
 
Aio said:
trust me, even with the thread, i can guarantee you its fine. Ive had this (Aio) account for 3 years, an 10 multiples for 2 years or shorter.
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:eek:.........
 
ViagraFalls said:
I recall someone telling me there has been a thread where quote by MA was made or quoted saying secondary avatars are officially allowed.

Can anyone confirm this, or point me to the thread in question?

Thanks.
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One avatar per real person. Else you risk your account(s).
 
Marco|MindArk said:
One avatar per real person. Else you risk your account(s).
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Is there a specific reason to this policy ? I mean why can't I play different characters ?
 
Marco|MindArk said:
One avatar per real person. Else you risk your account(s).
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Unless it appears in the AUP that a person can specifically only make one avatar in their lifetime then it means nothing - This forum isn't an official MA forum.

You also have the happy job to prove that the person participating is the same - which, unless you go into their home you can never know.

I am not the person who created the avatar I use, its also not my credit card on file. I also didnt make the other 5 avatars I have logged in with at one time or another.

What I write could be false though. Surely you cannot lock my account based on something you read on an un-offical forum?

Bear in mind that the avatar creation is all but useless right now - there are holes all over the model where parts don't join, the FOV is terrible for judging proportions and when you are satisfied with your creation it doesn't come out how it looked in the preview.

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I submit this for "dress like your avatar" No one can get a more lifelike costume then this:
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Marco|MindArk said:
One avatar per real person. Else you risk your account(s).
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is it me or is even this responce ambiguous? is the risk that using mulitple avatars might be indentified, or is the risk that once caught your accounts may be locked? And why is this not explictly stated in the EULA?
 
wanda said:
Unless it appears in the AUP that a person can specifically only make one avatar in their lifetime then it means nothing - This forum isn't an official MA forum.

You also have the happy job to prove that the person participating is the same - which, unless you go into their home you can never know.

I am not the person who created the avatar I use, its also not my credit card on file. I also didnt make the other 5 avatars I have logged in with at one time or another.

What I write could be false though. Surely you cannot lock my account based on something you read on an un-offical forum?

Bear in mind that the avatar creation is all but useless right now - there are holes all over the model where parts don't join, the FOV is terrible for judging proportions and when you are satisfied with your creation it doesn't come out how it looked in the preview.

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I submit this for "dress like your avatar" No one can get a more lifelike costume then this:
[br]Click to enlarge[/br]
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like MA needs to provide any proves at all.....i remember last time when i read the EULA,MA said they dont need any reason or prove at all, for to do w/e MA likes to do with your account and with your money ? What is the point to discuss if a player may or may not have multiple accounts ? Does it make any difference ?
 
aridash said:
is it me or is even this responce ambiguous? is the risk that using mulitple avatars might be indentified, or is the risk that once caught your accounts may be locked? And why is this not explictly stated in the EULA?
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it have no importance. The EULA have no value, it's zero, nulla, nada, in any Court.I can see many players focus on " details" , while the main is this : there is no IRL law to force MA to give you even a dime back.
 
actually there is plenty of law that would cover this. ianal so i wont go into my understanding of the situation as its bound to be flawed. but suffice to say cases involing EULA rarely ever go to court since they dont want legal precedents set. The EULA has a lot of value it is MAs contract with you. what is enforcable in their favor or in your favor would be for a court to decide.
 
ViagraFalls said:
I recall someone telling me there has been a thread where quote by MA was made or quoted saying secondary avatars are officially allowed.

Can anyone confirm this, or point me to the thread in question?

Thanks.
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Ill look a little later, but I can indeed find a thread (if it still exists) where Marco has stated that using multiple avatars are NOT allowed. Though I can also name at least three examples that MA knows about and does allow.
 
wanda said:
What I write could be false though. Surely you cannot lock my account based on something you read on an un-offical forum?
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yes, they can, and has been done more than once. Lovely Luv is one example that comes to mind.
 
Morg said:
Though I can also name at least three examples that MA knows about and does allow.
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if n00b creates multiple avvies for sweating purposes or scamming in auction its not allowed, if long trusted player who is depositing lots, creates another for fun or for a change of sex perhaps, it is allowed.

selling the full avatars are not also allowed, two different persons using the same avatar isnt allowed, but i know many and i bet MA knows many of these incidents, is it allowed, is it not... u think. all depends and all goes with cash, well this is basicly...

simple.
 
aridash said:
actually there is plenty of law that would cover this. ianal so i wont go into my understanding of the situation as its bound to be flawed. but suffice to say cases involing EULA rarely ever go to court since they dont want legal precedents set. The EULA has a lot of value it is MAs contract with you. what is enforcable in their favor or in your favor would be for a court to decide.
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really ?! you better ask your lawyer. First of all, any law student can tell you this : MA's EULA is nulla, because it brokes the Sweden laws . As simple as this. If you dont believe me, ask a lawyer. Hint : any Civil and commerce law in Sweden is BELOW the European laws to wich Swede affiliated. Period.

From the European and Swedish Law point of view, EU is a scammery.
 
EULA is only MA bukler , so MA can hidde behind and tell you to sit on your finguer if they whant with no risk.
Still , MA know exactly who use more than 1 avatar , they know avatar bouth and sold , and they dont mind as long you dont bother them.
You can cheat , scam , steale , lie , use 50 acount ..... they dont mind as long as deposit and money still running.
 
ModOh said:
MA's EULA is nulla, because it brokes the Sweden laws . As simple as this. If you dont believe me, ask a lawyer. Hint : any Civil and commerce law in Sweden is BELOW the European laws to wich Swede affiliated. Period.
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first off not all national law is superceded by European law, for example contract and tort law which this would relate to.

secondly, go back and re-read my post. think about it. maybe sleep on it. Then read your reply. The EULA might well have unenforcable clauses in it, but this is in your favor since it is the contract with which MA has agreed to provide the service: they are bound by it.
 
Marco|MindArk said:
One avatar per real person. Else you risk your account(s).
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Im curious, has MA ever officially given anyone permission to opperate 2 avatars.?
 
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Morg said:
Im curious, has MA ever officially given anyone permission to opperate 2 avatars.?
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Beside their employe i dont think.
but un-officially they "give" that permission at some player and thats a sure fact.
Som people time after bouth an avatar was worryed to get it lock , and so phoned MA and asked them.
and MA dont mind.
As long as you play the game and dont bother other player you are welcome to spend your or other player money.
 
Multiple accts a NoNo

I recently wrote to mindark myself to ask whether it was permissable to have multiple accounts, because I noticed the topic seems to come up a lot on the forums. The response I recieved:

21 Jun 2006 MindArk Support:
Hello, it is never OK to have more than one account. Should we find anyone who has two or more accounts they will all be locked.
Regards,
Entropia Support
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So, there ya go. :)
 
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