bored of Land grabs?

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when i 1st heard about the land grabs, I used to get excited and thought cool, i will get my soc involved, soon realised even after the1st one that even with medium lvl players at that point there was no chance of ever getting land unless i depo a huge amount to buy one. simply never gonna happen.

the last LG they could have made it really good by releasing 10+ Land areas and only 1 land area per soc is allowed. But no they made it impossible for any medium lvl soc to get a chance.

I hope any medium lvl soc gets a chance now in this one.

Sorry but MA really now how to treat there customer base.
its about time MA gave us something back.
All i can say is I have really high hopes that the new system (cry2) will give us better tools/features to use and not change us a fortune for using them.

Make the game more playable more fun and a little easier on the pocket and you customer base will grow, keep screwing us over and many will leave as a lot have.

Ma does not have the best reputation already about time this changed .

Rant over. :D

p.s I don't normally complain
 
well I have been playing for 18 months and am almost mid-level but in a young soc with mostly inexperienced members but a few that are not.

I am very dissappointed that because we are not in the top 50 we cannot even get a little team together and try for an LA.

I do not understand why this restriction was put in place.

It should be fun for all.

Regards

Zyloc
 
I have not done the training, so am not fit to take part.

So yes, the LG is boring, but the fault is not with the LG....
 
I don't have a problem with it. The way I see it, there are those that have stuck around for a long time, invested a lot of money into the game, became uber, joined a soicety of ubers, and now they are a strong force to be reckoned with, and if getting a piece of land to compensate for the huge investment of time and money is only available to them, GREAT!

What I'm tired of seeing are threads about how unfair MA is, day in and day out :rolleyes:. It's a casino, it's a rip off, only ubers get great loot, only noobs get great loot....the mid player suffers, woe to me, woe to everyone that doesn't get uber hofs or wins land, or uber items.....IT'S NOT FAIR!!!! :laugh:

Seriously, I know where you're coming from, and I've been to the point of throwing my hands up and walking away...but I'm coming back, working at building my skills, enjoying the chat, and the next level weapons/armors. Eventually, with determination, I'm going to be part of a land grab because I have the skills and the equipment for it...but that would be because I've earned it.

Let MA do their thing, the systems not perfect, but they're trying. Plus rep for the OP's opinion.
 
I wont be anywhere near it for a couple reasons

1- I'm a noob and always will be
2- Chip monkeys control it
 
If you can't find any fun to be had in Landgrab, you are not trying hard enough :)

Last year I had great fun just watching. This year I'll be having fun helping out a genuine contender.

I don't really see the problem.
 
What a strange thread.

1) How can you be bored with something you experienced only once?
2) Can't win an LA? Sure you can, and with n00b skills too in the MA competitions like the video ones they run. It is YOUR LA too, not just for a while until next LG.
3) You can support or you can observe, or you can report/film...maybe handy for future video comps;)....and you ay just find an uber with a few HP left and get to finish him/her which is not something you'll get to do every day :laugh:

I can't win anything, not even in a soc...but can't wait for LG if just to see the barren LAs teeming agaiin, and hopefully to join the plasma platoon and support a soc and help them even the score.

Cheer up mate, it's not compulsory and with all that ammo pouring into the system I thought that loot improved last time :D

t
 
when i 1st heard about the land grabs, I used to get excited and thought cool, i will get my soc involved, soon realised even after the1st one that even with medium lvl players at that point there was no chance of ever getting land unless i depo a huge amount to buy one. simply never gonna happen.

... well that is not LG's fault. In any event organized by anyone(not MA) u still dont have a chance if high skilled players join so it's the same.

IMO FPC has been honest and stated that only top 50 socs can join(most of top 50 socs dont have a chance) so no more threads, like how unfair it is that no one gets land etc., will appear.

Your thread could apply to all events if u change the context a little
 
even if i was never to get the chance for land i still think that there should only be allowed 1 LA per soc. at least it would allow other socs a chance of land instead of 1 or 2 socs getting them all.


I guess there will always be an issue for them who are + 1point above the limits/rules set by any competition created by MA.
A equal balance will always be hard to achieve but there is defiantly room for improvements.
 
... well that is not LG's fault. In any event organized by anyone(not MA) u still dont have a chance if high skilled players join so it's the same.

IMO FPC has been honest and stated that only top 50 socs can join(most of top 50 socs dont have a chance) so no more threads, like how unfair it is that no one gets land etc., will appear.

Your thread could apply to all events if u change the context a little

:)

A way to make landgrabs a lot more interesting and competitive for all societies needs to be better thought out.

Rather than a 24 hour showdown of just who is better equipped.

Something that involves knowledge and wisdom that can be spread over a couple of days and involves all 3 core spheres of activity to be engaged.

An off the top of my head example:

3 categories of difficulty belonging to 3 sets of land areas,

1st category being the most difficult though offers the larger areas in prime locations.

Event would include a list of objectives required to be completed in any order, first X number of society winners selects available land-areas they desire in the time completion order they completed the objectives, in full.

Multiple land areas can be won if objectives are completed in full more than one time around before the available land areas are allocated to winners within a category.

Such objectives may include for Category 1:

Hunting Objectives:

Teams must consist of 5 members including the leader.

Team leader only supplies time & position stamped screenshots clearly showing the members in team all within radar range and alive at time of screenshot.

A. Acquire 50+ team globals/Hofs above 200 PED
B. Acquire 20+ team Hofs above 500 PED
C. Acquire 5+ team hofs above 1000 PED
D. Acquire 5 of each uncommon/rare loot drop items from 5 nominated mobs - A, B, C, D & E (25 items in total)

Crafting Objectives:

Craft and screenshot using 5 members belonging to the society:

A. Produce 20 globals/Hofs greater than 50ped upon any crafted item.
B. Manufacture of 5 Full TT (L) items 200+ ped from each of 3 seperate nominated crafting profession areas (Decided upon crafting profession areas must be the same for all society member entries)

eg. Weapons, Tools & Armor of recipe level IX or higher.
(total 75 items for the society, 5 lots of 15, Totalling 15k+ ped worth)

Mining Objectives:

5 members from the society must acquire:

A. 15 Global/Hofs in excess of 200 ped each.
B. 5 claim sizes of 5 seperate (pre-determined by FPC) ores and 5 seperate enmatters (25 of each, 50 total) equal to or greater than 'X' Considerable in size.

Run the event until each categories Land Areas are awarded :)
Category 2 is easier than 1, 3 is easier than 2 in what needs to be achieved.


It is much better than standing around a claim rod with no hope of acquiring a LA unless your a top 10 society.

Overall spend in the period will be emmensely larger in getting objectives completed than a mere 24-hour event, even if it was several mere 24 hour events.

Objective orientated competitiveness would produce better revenue results and would open up the possibility of realistically winning an LA by a larger spectrum of competing societies since it is not based merely on Biggest'FG/Weapon and best protective getup combinations (With society strategy attached).

For the harder categories, place some of the objectives in PvP only areas to make things interesting, especially in hunting certain mobs in PvP zones and mining certain ores/enmatters only found in PvP.

Place in certain restrictions that are not too limiting.

Top 20 societies only can enter category 1
If they complete objectives and are awarded with an LA in category 1;
They may then re-enter category 1 for a second LA or ...
If they are ranked 11-20 are eligible to enter to compete for a maximum of 1 category 2 LA.


Societies ranked 21 - 50 only can enter category 2
If they complete objectives and are awarded with an LA in category 2;
They may then re-enter category 2 for a second LA or ...
If they are ranked 36-50 eligible to enter to compete for a maximum of 1 category 3 LA


Societies ranked 51 + only can enter category 3
If they complete objectives and are awarded with an LA in category 3,
They may then re-enter category 3 for a second LA.

Distribute available areas to cater for greater society involvement across the spectrum.

Maybe something along the lines of:

Category 1 - 30% of the prime location larger LAs,
Category 2 - 40% of the medium well situated LAs
Category 3 - 30% of the remaining LAs on offer.

Hopefully FPC has a bit of creative nous to them with making such things interesting and competitive in time to come :)

~ Sparkz
 
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well I have been playing for 18 months and am almost mid-level but in a young soc with mostly inexperienced members but a few that are not.

I am very dissappointed that because we are not in the top 50 we cannot even get a little team together and try for an LA.

I do not understand why this restriction was put in place.

It should be fun for all.

Regards

Zyloc

In Olympic game , only the best player of every country participate... all other just watch... many people have fun watching Olympic game at tv ... yet they dont whine because they can not run...
Also , at Olympic game , only the 3 best get something , all other did lose...make effort for nothing...
and , at Olympic game , it not 1 gold medal per winer...there people that grab many medal... happen often in swimming for example , where 1 is very good and get 3 or 5 medal in different swimming style.
There is runner who get many too...


What you can do this year , is go help a soc you like , go check how it is,participate.watch if you like or not , and them , if you like , make effort it take to participate with a wining team next year...
 
In Olympic game , only the best player of every country participate... all other just watch... many people have fun watching Olympic game at tv ... yet they dont whine because they can not run...
Also , at Olympic game , only the 3 best get something , all other did lose...make effort for nothing...
and , at Olympic game , it not 1 gold medal per winer...there people that grab many medal... happen often in swimming for example , where 1 is very good and get 3 or 5 medal in different swimming style.
There is runner who get many too...


What you can do this year , is go help a soc you like , go check how it is,participate.watch if you like or not , and them , if you like , make effort it take to participate with a wining team next year...

Or just watch the LG-Olympics on JamHot TV :D
 
To win land by globals and HOF's is a stupid and unrealistic idea. I bet the wild west was won by people eating cucumber sandwiches and drinking tea in your weird world eh.

LG should be won the way it is, by shooting people.
 
I have an event coming soon which will cater for all levels :)

Those who don't get a chance to participate in LG, will have a chance to participate.

The wheels are in motion, and when details are released, I am sure you will all be pleased :)

I also have a big sponsor lined up :)
 
To win land by globals and HOF's is a stupid and unrealistic idea. I bet the wild west was won by people eating cucumber sandwiches and drinking tea in your weird world eh.

LG should be won the way it is, by shooting people.

Oh a shadow boy !
Typical response ;)

No one said anything about not shooting people.
No wonder your scope is needed.
 
I have an event coming soon which will cater for all levels :)

Those who don't get a chance to participate in LG, will have a chance to participate.

The wheels are in motion, and when details are released, I am sure you will all be pleased :)

I also have a big sponsor lined up :)

Sounds good Woodger,

Good luck with it.
 
I was going to write a long post then decided to just say this....
STOP MOANING!!!
LG is a reward for those who have put peds & efforts into EU and is a dam great day out :yay:
 
Sounds good Woodger,

Good luck with it.


Thanks, the planning and detail gone into it ensures as much as possible a fair fight for all :) Details are scheduled to be released early June, and announcements will be made regularly on Atlas Haven Radio :) :yay::yay:

I can't give too much away but what I will say is....

Definition of a team

A team is a small number of people with complementary skills who are committed to a common purpose, performance goals, and approach for which they hold themselves mutually accountable
-Small Number
-Complementary Skills
-Common Purpose & Performance Goals
-Common Approach
-Mutual Accountability
 
I was going to write a long post then decided to just say this....
STOP MOANING!!!
LG is a reward for those who have put peds & efforts into EU and is a dam great day out :yay:


You're a Shadow boy to :D

God we're so predictable.
 
Thanks, the planning and detail gone into it ensures as much as possible a fair fight for all :) Details are scheduled to be released early June, and announcements will be made regularly on Atlas Haven Radio :) :yay::yay:

I can't give too much away but what I will say is....

Definition of a team

A team is a small number of people with complementary skills who are committed to a common purpose, performance goals, and approach for which they hold themselves mutually accountable
-Small Number
-Complementary Skills
-Common Purpose & Performance Goals
-Common Approach
-Mutual Accountability

Sounds great.

At least it won't have a
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impact after the first hour of shooting people.

LG, 1 hour down
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8 hours due to its emmersively challenging nature,
Watch the followup on JamHot TV :laugh:

Not complaining LG competitors, good luck and have fun.
Same/similar outcomes as prior years.

Not even worth attending after the first time around experience.
 
You're a Shadow boy to :D

God we're so predictable.

hehe no pun intended Soundboy, nothing against CK, or shadows.

Just the responses from competitors in the LG from the top 20 societies, almost all, follow a similar format ;)

It makes everyone else sleepy hearing it year in, year out.
 
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There are alot of soc's with mixes of very skilled and unskilled avi's which could probably pull some top 50 socs off no probs.

i think the only top 50 only rule is abit silly. but then again even if win ur not guaranteed to make back what u spent.
 
Do you also want to change the rules of any sport so the not so skilled people could take part in the world championships?
 
even if i was never to get the chance for land i still think that there should only be allowed 1 LA per soc. at least it would allow other socs a chance of land instead of 1 or 2 socs getting them all.


I guess there will always be an issue for them who are + 1point above the limits/rules set by any competition created by MA.
A equal balance will always be hard to achieve but there is defiantly room for improvements.

Only problem with that is then there is really no action to LG, limit everyone to 1 soc there will be no need to kick someone off the claim rod. You get one you log off and go to bed. Not fun.

LG is perfect the way it is, I'm in a top 10 society but im not being biased by it. If I was a noob to EU I would look at LG as a motivation to be better.
You get rewarded for earning skills, lg, rx event etc.
Take our sister soc Shadows last year, they helped cK out cause they probably just weren't there yet.. Now in the time span of less than a year they went from almost there, to being a powerhouse in this land grab. They are one of the most feared 10-50 society out there. Cause they saw the event as a goal, World Domination and they strive towards it.
It's their goal they put in the work they get to compete.

I'm surprised that threads like this keep popping up, scroll down 5 spaces on the recent post list and you will see people complaining that all the new players getting the ubers, and 2 spaces down below that youll get a post complaining that skill is worthless.

LG is exactly the opposite, it makes skills worth something and time put into the game meaningful.
It is meant to be the best of the best type event.
You can't just go join a major sports team just cause you get left out of the game. It's like "It's not fair, I want to play in the NFL, its not fair that all the people with the skill get to play in it."

You have to train up to play in the big game.

Sure, you could go with something like lavawalkers idea. (No offense lava it is a good idea, but not as a replacement for lg.) But then it turns into something boring, makes it more based on luck.

LG is intense, fun and and incredible experience, whether you are claiming or not. Tell a soc that is getting land that you want to help them. You get to play and experience it, last lg near the last claimrod there was over 100 people just having fun attacking / defending just for fun.

This is what I did with cK first LG ever, 12 hours at a claimrod. Then a year later and a lot of time and work put in, I joined cK.
It's not impossible.


And for people saying its about profiting, its really not, in the end you spend more than the land brings back in taxes, unless you get a really nice one, or if you weren't attacked during claiming.

In the end its expensive fun and you get the pride of being the "best" at lg.

I dunno about anyone else, but LG is the best times I've ever had, ingame or out. I wouldn't miss it for the world.
(Even if I weren't a society competing. Yes thats what I said, I would compete in it even if I knew I would never win.)
 
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i haven't read exactly all the posts.. i assumne it's a similar thread as all the other years.. appologize for that..

personally, i'm a forever-noob, as most players are, and will not anytime soon be able to compete.. i don't really miss it though..
i do enjoy all the fuzz and exitement in the community about LG, and i love to watch the vids and listen to live-broadcasts..

i agree to the top10-soc players: LG is the highest league ingame, meant for those who made the efforts to get there..

but:

i think it would be possible to create a similar event (that means soc-vs-soc PvP war with a valuable prize) for all classes of players, and it should be done.
leave LG untouched, but create an event with similar game-mechanics for everyone! why not? realy, why not?
i'd sure take part in a soc-war, limited to x-dps-weapons and y-avarage skills for let's say a shop or whatever..

HOF HOF!!
 
when i 1st heard about the land grabs, I used to get excited and thought cool, i will get my soc involved, soon realised even after the1st one that even with medium lvl players at that point there was no chance of ever getting land unless i depo a huge amount to buy one. simply never gonna happen.

the last LG they could have made it really good by releasing 10+ Land areas and only 1 land area per soc is allowed. But no they made it impossible for any medium lvl soc to get a chance.

I hope any medium lvl soc gets a chance now in this one.

I really think that the "limit number of areas each soc can claim" idea would make the whole LandGrab a pointless exercise. Wouldn't the best societies just log in, claim land, sit and wait for 4 hours, get land, log out? There wouldn't be much defending as any other prepared soc would just sit at thier claim aswell :scratch2:

What I have noticed is that alot (not all) complaints about landgrab rules are from people who have not dedicated thier EU game towards pk/land grab but think its right that the rules should be changed to suit them whilst taking away from people who HAVE aimed for this event, and that in my opinion is clearly wrong.

I have said it loads before because im very proud of what has been achieved but anybody saying "land grab isnt for mid level" take a look at cK Shadows and you really won't have any arguement after that. This society has in the space of 2 years come from more or less nothing to being what I would estimate very worthy opponents for MANY of the top 10 socs. Last years LG cK-S was a very good benifit for cK in support and having first hand experience at all the claims taken. This year they will be WAY above expectation because they have worked at it solidly. I have also noticed BAHQ Evo growing very strongly with numbers and pk members.

It is possible for mid level to have a very BIG part in LandGrab..... but you have to choose it and make it important to you. If you havent done so then I can't really see what your issue is? If you are a casual pk society have you contacted any top societies to see if they would like your assistance? A support role probably costs less than a WOF hunt.... its true, it doesn't cost as much as you think to be right in the middle of the action.

LandGrab is the best time I have had ingame - the highlight of my entire EU history and thats from a perspective of both a support role and being part of a top 10 soc.
 
Ck Shadows is the perfect expemple of beeing a society thats a possible land winner without having the Uber players, The uber gear.

We dont have guys with eon mod faps imp faps foerippers supremacy or any of that gear.

We dont have guys with insane ammount of skills.

What we do have is a dedicated soc who are mid to high level qua skills and which can be achieved within 1 year of pretty hardcore playing. 2 if u want to slack.

The only requirement is that u enjoy to pk, and try to get a pk set, which is so much easier nowadays with all the good L gear out there that doesnt need a insane ammount of peds to have the best..

The top 50 rule is there to let people know they dont have a chance as freelancer or a none top 50 player so they wont be dissapointed when they dont get anything..

MA has clearly stated the LG will continue to be a event for the best, Just like WOF is or CL. There are many many events in which everyone can participate but LG will never be one of them.

So either decide to make it your goal and work for it, Or accept it and dont be bummed out by it and focus on other things or try and help out someone else in LG for the fun of it!
 
I really think that the "limit number of areas each soc can claim" idea would make the whole LandGrab a pointless exercise.

Bingo.

I'm going to sorta ignore the original whiny premise of the thread and run with the title. I think it would be awesome if it wasn't just societies defending LAs. Imagine this: land grab time rolls around and ...

MindArk/FPC/whomever said:
It's a Jungle out there

The Calypso Defense Forces office is receiving reports of surges in robot activity. The robots have landed several large ships in remote land areas and a steady stream of forces are disembarking. Stranger reports suggest that the robots have brought huge animals to wreak havoc. All colonists not heavily armed and armored are advised to remain within city defenses.

Bounties have been placed on the destruction of each ship. Any corporation or other social organization able to activate the self destruct mechanism and defend it for a number of hours will be awarded a lease for that land area for a period of time.

Dasps and SEGs and Warlocks running rampant at LG! :yay:
 
Bingo.

I'm going to sorta ignore the original whiny premise of the thread and run with the title. I think it would be awesome if it wasn't just societies defending LAs. Imagine this: land grab time rolls around and ...



Dasps and SEGs and Warlocks running rampant at LG! :yay:

Lol.... This is a true mentalist idea - I love the thought of it!!

(but surely LG is expensive enough as it is!)
 
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