Congratz mindark for the BIGGEST joke EVER

A lot of these threads are reminiscent of when VU 10 was released; there were complaints left and right about things which haven't changed to date subsequent to VU 10, such as the 'R' key once serving as the movement key to Auto Walk or Auto Run, later being changed to the 'Q' key to toggle Run/Walk. MA didn't change anything, and people learned to use the new system. Today, you don't see any complaints about the movement keys having been changed, because even the people who were most resistant to changing either had a choice to sink or swim.

And this is what I think is going to happen with the tier system. I'll be very surprised if MA does much to change it, because the implementation is complete and there's no going backwards now. Lesson: History repeats itself.
 
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It is an outrage that you cannot upgrade a MM or a modfap to be great items desired by all. How will Supremacy or Shadow ever be good armour if it's this hard to upgrade them??

Totally unfair...

/sarcastic off

Some of you have really rare, really good items and now you're pissed off that it cannot be made even better easily?

Piss off and let us upgrade our Opalos since that is the ONLY UL gun some of us have...or will EVER have...
 
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And this is what I think is going to happen with the tier system. I'll be very surprised if MA does much to change it, because the implementation is complete and there's no going backwards now. Lesson: History repeats itself.

They have altered things based on player feedback. Some examples:

1) Equip Armor decay fee reduced from 2pec to 1 pec
2) 50% condition limit on trade terminal items reduced to 3%
3) Hills made climbable

I'm sure theres plenty of others.

I think one of two things will happen - it'll be better explained (especially with regard to upgrading unlimited items) or it'll be modified so that you can upgrade without requiring to borrow / buy an identical item to the one you already own.
 
I think one of two things will happen - it'll be better explained (especially with regard to upgrading unlimited items) or it'll be modified so that you can upgrade without requiring to borrow / buy an identical item to the one you already own.

You are never gonna borrow item from someone to try the upgrade as there is a possibility to lost the item :)
 
You are never gonna borrow item from someone to try the upgrade as there is a possibility to lost the item :)

As well as I dont have the collateral required anyway (1st one skint me out :) )
 
Dear powers of Calypso & supporting platform,

From what has been demonstrated thus far from both the estate development pricing model for the top tier market and from this enhancement system;

The folks at both MindArk & FPC need to come down from living on cloud-9 and come down closer to reality in grounding themselves, bringing them back in sync with the mass market that will use this service & associated developments.

Saying later that this is a top tier offering is a mere copout to an obvious screw up in initial planning, development & roll-out.

Please for the sake of the game that many of us love even though we constantly lose our asses off in this missed boat of opportunities for late arrivals to the game;

Please >>

Readjust:

  • Your thinking.
  • Your psychological approach.
  • Your grounding in fiscal reality relative to the mass market.

That is my main request on the critical analysis of the direction being travelled thus far in handling the Calypso business:

  • Calypso's future participation health.
  • Calypso's external mass market appeal/lure
  • Calypso's future success as a competitor in the RCE gaming market.

PR-etending nothing is wrong and how wonderful the system is with many buying into it without providing proof does nothing to improve the Calypso business other than to ensure future uncertainty through short-term false/fudged hopes.

Thankyou.

Yeah I couldn`t agree more on this! When we take the point: Calypso's future success as a competitor in the RCE gaming market.
Then there will be no such thing as a Future for Calypso if the system is nerfed like it has been in so many updates before, including this one.
 
It is an outrage that you cannot upgrade a MM or a modfap to be great items desired by all. How will Supremacy or Sahdow ever be good armour if it's this hard to upgrade them??

Totally unfair...

/sarcastic off

Some of you have really rare, really good items and now you're pissed off that it cannot be made even better easily?

Piss off and let us upgrade our Opalos since that is the ONLY UL gun some of us have...or will EVER have...

Thats your choice. If you deposited you could have whatever weapon you want...

Anyhoo, back on topic...
Your opalo...have you seen the cost of upgrading this to teir 1? Now tell me its a good idea.

Oh, and not all of us have 'uber' weapons. I would not call shogun+5b, and a Delta 'uber' by any stretch of the imagination.
 
You gonna tell me that you're willing to pay $400~$1k to allow one SLOT on the damned things? And not to mention the CURRENT rarity of a lot of those things. I doubt there are enough Minas available currently to make even two of them all the way to Tier 10.

If MA did this move to shaft the ubers and 'raise up' the noobs/mid levelers, then the socialism has been fully ingrained, and we are now a classless universe.

Class = money??

So you can't afford the upgrade. Or the game mechanics don't allow it. Then that's the way it is. If your weapon can't use the enhancement system, then you can't. The system isn't REQUIRED for you to continue playing.

Though... MA READ: If enhancing encourages in your mind another round of creature "mutations" without an equivalent match in core (non enhanced) weapons, so that enhancing is somehow supposed to replace more guns on your part... then I will drop any kind of positive take I have on this game change. If you raise the bar because you think this enhancement is all encompassing, I will be extremely disappointed in you.

And you, Hulyss - one of helenas points is that UNIQUE DAMNED WEAPONS (please note that key word there, UNIQUE) state in their recipe THEY NEED ANOTHER IDENTICAL WEAPON TO UPGRADE. What serious degree of wrapped bullshit do MA's coders smoke... blahblahblahblah

Obviously the kind that help them see that the weapon in discussion is already unique, already uber, and as many try to say above all the ranting, essentially outside of this system. If you insist that "ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH" even though no one is going to have anything better than you, then either arm down, or sell out.

For now, I will play as I have learned to play EU because of the game's growth and morphs...and won't over invest. Anything can lose or gain value. It's your choice if you risk.
 
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Given that people got L weapons to Tier 9 within a few hours, there's no way that the tier benefits will be of that magnitude.

Why not? They still break. And that's penalty enough for someone who keeps bringing L guns up in tier, but then have to lose it, and do it again. Their reward should be just the same.
 
4 pages of worries,fears and concerns about this new system and the only response from Marco or MA on this thread is a ped award to one post:rolleyes:

Either they dont give a shit or are as confused about the new system as we are :D

Just for once it would be nice to get straight clear answers from FPC so that people could stop fretting,but in over 3yrs of play all i've ever seen from them is vague cryptic clues.

If someone is unable to be upfront and has to keep ducking explanations or answersing questions properly,you can be sure its because they know you won't like the truth:wtg:
 
4 pages of worries,fears and concerns about this new system and the only response from Marco or MA on this thread is a ped award to one post:rolleyes:

Either they dont give a shit or are as confused about the new system as we are :D

This happens EVERY time. An update comes and before all the information is out on it, or its even a week old, the forums light up with angry ranting and people making assumptions or fuming about the unfairness of it all, or insisting they will sell out, and every time people anticipate some kind of mass exodus.

They witness this every VU. I'm sure its very desensitizing.
 
god,i just wake up, it was not a nightmare
 
Maybe theirs more to this system. so far we have just seen the crap theirs got to be some good in there somewhere.
 
Even more reason to pull the proverbial finger out and get full and proper info out at the time of the update and not a week later then:)
 
Even more reason to pull the proverbial finger out and get full and proper info out at the time of the update and not a week later then:)

He's hoping this community will figure out on its own even though that's pretty much utopic since everyone is crying anyways.
 
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there we go

i cant put my original prism of destruction in ingredient ( system say i need an other one than the one i want to upgrade)

and the other one (which dont exist in game) have 5% chance to be destroyed ! WTF ???? fucking big joke

i ll quit this game as soon as ma annouce that its not a bug

FUCK THAT SHIT

I have a UL 450 , there's goes any hope of upgrading it, MA you totaly fucked my hoped of the teirs being something to reignite my interest in EU sadly its done the opposite

5% chance of loosing shitty L no issues 5% change of loosing big item fuck that, so L win and UL exensive unique items = screwed :(

THINK STUFF THROUGH A LITTLE BETTER, IMPACT ANALYSIS ANYONE?!?!?!:rolleyes:

soc mate asked last nite "whats this teir thing" my response "duuno some BS from MA that we will end up worse off I'm sure" I was joking sadly I see I was right lol

one more up the ass stealth styleee
 
There is a 0% chance losing L since it will unlock automatically.
 
You are never gonna borrow item from someone to try the upgrade as there is a possibility to lost the item :)

As well as I dont have the collateral required anyway (1st one skint me out :) )

You gents aren't remembering that the duplicate item is CONSUMED upon upgrade!



Eli - you AREN'T paying attention. There is a finite number of certain things ingame (ML35's, ARR8k's, fuck, even bravos) that aren't even edging into being true mid-level weaponry, that we have zero chance of upgrading, because NOW, everyone who has an extra one or is going to sell one, is going to charge out the nose for it.
I have nemesis armor - not uber by even the greatest stretch of the imagination. Why the hell should I have to ELIMINATE a WHOLE DAMNED SET from the game, just in order to give my armor a ~5% (random number) protection boost... FOR THE FIRST TIER OUT OF TEN?!
If MA wanted items eliminated from the fucking game, they should have prevented them from being tiered in the first place! This entire system is a joke, and if you can't see that - I'm sorry. It has almost completely destroyed my trust in these twats whom I have been giving money to for over 3 years.
Quite seriously, this is the last straw for me. If they do not fix the *very few* major things wrong with this last update, including (But not limited to) requiring a copy of the original item to unlock the next tier, I'm done with EU. And I'm not even CLOSE to being the only one (think of the term "Exodus"), so MA had best get their collective heads out of whatever dark orifice that they have them hidden in, and listen to OUR money leaving their gilded vaults...
 
FUCK THAT SHIT

I have a UL 450 , there's goes any hope of upgrading it, MA you totaly fucked my hoped of the teirs being something to reignite my interest in EU sadly its done the opposite

5% chance of loosing shitty L no issues 5% change of loosing big item fuck that, so L win and UL exensive unique items = screwed :(

THINK STUFF THROUGH A LITTLE BETTER, IMPACT ANALYSIS ANYONE?!?!?!:rolleyes:

soc mate asked last nite "whats this teir thing" my response "duuno some BS from MA that we will end up worse off I'm sure" I was joking sadly I see I was right lol

one more up the ass stealth styleee

L item = UL item .... TT speaking of course. Your uber items are not ... uber at all, you all made them uber not MA. MA dropped shitloads of 'uber' items since the game begun. Heard the stories of people tt-ing shadow parts and adj hero and things like that? just because they had high tt and they needed the ped to keep hunting ? or lending mod faps to anyone in the friend list if they requested?

Sins of our fathers ...

Sins of our fathers ...

Sins of our fathers !!!
 
L item = UL item .... TT speaking of course. Your uber items are not ... uber at all, you all made them uber not MA.

Well MA made the adj, imp and modfap uber not the players. They have an insane eco that's why they do not drop anymore. MA made the stats MA stopped the supply.

MA dropped shitloads of 'uber' items since the game begun. Heard the stories of people tt-ing shadow parts and adj hero and things like that? just because they had high tt and they needed the ped to keep hunting ?

Uhm it's not because they needed PEDs it's because there was no storage.

or lending mod faps to anyone in the friend list if they requested?

No, that's the first time hearing this. But did you hear of the guy giving modfap/impfap away for free? Or the guy killed Marco in Pvp3 and looted his uber armor and gun? It's true I swear!


Also does anyone can confirm we will lose the 2nd item? Has anyone successfully upgraded any UL gun and can give a feedback? Or is it just whining in advance as usual?
 
And i was planning to play alot during xmas - will not happend - ill go for the tequila instead . . .
 
Well MA made the adj, imp and modfap uber not the players. They have an insane eco that's why they do not drop anymore. MA made the stats MA stopped the supply.


Uhm it's not because they needed PEDs it's because there was no storage.

yea just 3-4 items in game with insane eco... the rest are "normal". That means that if u use them you can still loose money.

And yes I know people who tt-ed ubber stuff even when there were storages
 
Eli - you AREN'T paying attention. There is a finite number of certain things ingame (ML35's, ARR8k's, fuck, even bravos) that aren't even edging into being true mid-level weaponry, that we have zero chance of upgrading, because NOW, everyone who has an extra one or is going to sell one, is going to charge out the nose for it.

No, you're not hearing a thing I'm saying. The system isn't for the finite items, if the PLAYER BASE is going to destroy it, that's not MA's problem. Player greed makes the game harder to play, big fact. So if you have an item you just can't upgrade, that's that, you can't upgrade it. Just because MA made the system doesn't mean its for anyone to use or that everyone and every item is supposed to be easily upgradeable.

I have nemesis armor - not uber by even the greatest stretch of the imagination. Why the hell should I have to ELIMINATE a WHOLE DAMNED SET from the game, just in order to give my armor a ~5% (random number) protection boost... FOR THE FIRST TIER OUT OF TEN?!

Congrats. You have a full suit of nem. The value of your nem has not been decreased because of enhancement. So what's the problem? In order to get enhanced nem, yes, you have to cough up another set. But then you get socketed nem. Then more socketed nem. You're upgrading armor. I have jag. I have no delusions. I probably will never be able to upgrade it. But that's the risk I took when I got it.


If MA ...I'm done with EU. And I'm not even CLOSE to being the only one (think of the term "Exodus")...

Baa-baa.... baaa....baaaa-baa.
(Damn. No sheep emote)
 
yea just 3-4 items in game with insane eco... the rest are "normal". That means that if u use them you can still loose money.

There is also items with insane dmg/sec or insane protection (think of PK). You can always lose but you can increase your chances a lot by using high end gear fitting your skills. Actually most of the UL SIB items are just UBER since they are the best at their level.

And yes I know people who tt-ed ubber stuff even when there were storages

May I ask who and what item they TTed? I also know about Squall and his OA105 but I doubt he needed the TT value to continue hunting.
 
The folks at both MindArk & FPC need to come down from living on cloud-9 and come down closer to reality in grounding themselves, bringing them back in sync with the mass market that will use this service & associated developments.

Agreed 100%, what f**ks me the most is MA/FPC approach:

Still same sh*t for year Im here, read if you want some historic equvalents, one thing is still the same in years:

MANIPULATION WITH FACTS ON THE EDGE OF LIE AND BEHIND IT!


1) Example from history: Bored of shooting monsters and not getting payed?
or: something like: come earn your fortune by playing the game

Why its lie: We all know it why, but 100% proof is 1USD per Hour rate - not free, and doesnt leave space for earning fortune IMO!

2) Example from now: Marco on his cloud (maybe on drugs) saying:

IMAGINE ModFAP tier 10, that would be smthng. Now we know it was Bull SH*T. Same lies or almost lies for so long :( 10xMODfap > 4000k PEDs? Wouldnt CP be cheaper?

FU*K YOU! Im not some IQ 70 idiot, I see through your marketing based on lies from the beggining, and it harrases me to be threaten like a Idiot :sniper:

Edit: Ok I vented a bit, but still I hold same opinion about marketing based on lies. Bad longterm strategy, could work for short term project, until ppl realize they have been lied to.
 
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I also know about Squall and his OA105 but I doubt he needed the TT value to continue hunting.


Pardon me to correct u >> ... "to continue Mining."

:D
 
Pardon me to correct u >> ... "to continue Mining."

:D

Na just directed to ALEXANDER who said

ALEXANDER said:
Heard the stories of people tt-ing shadow parts and adj hero and things like that? just because they had high tt and they needed the ped to keep hunting ?

Point is the only reason to TT uber items was the absence of a storage or a mistake.
 
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Also does anyone can confirm we will (can) lose the 2nd item? Has anyone successfully upgraded any UL gun and can give a feedback? Or is it just whining in advance as usual?

Yeah. Is there anyone, who tried to improve his opalo and FAILED + LOST the second opalo?

Rumors are fine, whinning is fine but ..... are there any FACTS?


btw: I think the new system is cool. It screws mega-MU item owners because they'll risk all the MU on the secondary item if they fail but hell - why should i care? They can't lose their primary gun so they'll still be ubers no matter what (unless MA intoduse dual gun wielding). Can't upgrade unique gun/blade/toy ? It doesn't make it less unique, right? You won't be able to make it an Unique Super-Duper Titanic Godly Tool of Destruction. Cry me a river, i'll have tier 10 opalo :D Works for me, sux for your megalomania. Tough luck for ya. Nothing personal.
 
Eli, you still don't get it, so let me try it again.

I don't give fuck-all about the value of my current items. Price hasn't changed much on a few of them, if at all (low mid-level gear has that tendency :rolleyes:).
When I started (and I see you been here longer than I have) you could loot your gear, or at least have a decent chance at looting next level gear. My one and only 'weapon upgrade' loot in 3 1/2 years of playing was my Delta, over 2 1/2 years ago. Trust me, I've been trying ever since for anything better.
Same with my armor, best I could ever loot was the TT gremlin stuff. Had to buy my nemesis.

Now SGA rolls around. Again, no chance of really upgrading without spending a SHITLOAD of money just buying the crap... no chance of looting what I need (better weapon/fap/rest of the armor - and trust me, I've been trying.).
Well shit. My next level weapon upgrade is gonna cost me ~10k ped (easily). Same with next level armor upgrade (jag I think? Phantom/ghoul costly in terms of decay...). And likewise with fap - although with a Fap69 SGA the price gap dropped from waaayy high to ~5k ped.

Now Enhancers were announced as a way to 'tier up' and not have to spend as much as it would cost to upgrade to next level gear (don't care if those words weren't used, that was the general consensus from all I spoke with). Now this shit comes out.
So let me make sure you also get THIS part straight. SGA released a VERY finite number of items. I looted a martial SGA M thighguards, I also purchased a Delta SGA.
In order to upgrade EITHER, I have to find, negotiate, and purchase an equal part of SGA (again, a very finite volume) in order to unlock ONE tier. And the Delta SGA is by no means an uber weapon - just a small nice upgrade from regular Delta.
The level of idiocy required on MA's part to think that ANY of us would be dumb enough to even WANT to deplete/destroy these ONE TIME-PERIOD DROPPED ITEMS is appalling and downright scary.

The same also goes with non-SGA gear of any 'decent' level. I have no idea if you can end up modding pixie to be nemesis+ quality, nor if you can mod gremlin to be jaguar+ quality - that data isn't available yet to me. Anything over gremlin (i.e., nemesis) VIRTUALLY DOESN'T DROP ANYMORE. Even one person tiering up, by the very simple process of supply and demand, removes supply from the pool and creates more demand - and no, it isn't the players. PLEASE don't give me the "It's the players" crap. MA controls the drops, controls the volume of what exists - PERIOD. Price is set by the volume (supply/demand scenario). tt+300k at one time for an UL Emik X5 was a good price... then another 10 or so dropped :)confused:), and I think I saw one sell for <150k a few months back.

Put simply, this tier system is NOT fair - and I don't just mean for the person wanting to tier up something that's halfway decent to begin with - it's the entire epitome of selfishness and greed, to force someone who wants to make something 'just a little better' to remove a duplicate of it from the common pool of players, with full knowledge that it has a 99.9999_% chance of NOT appearing again in the loot.

What do I think should be the fix? Perhaps a craftable component that specifically unlocks tiers... in conjunction WITH all the other ingredients already listed.
I'll state now I have no qualms spending 100-300+ ped per unlock for my delta SGA, especially if the enhancers work even half as good as expected. Same with my armor, fap, other weapons - etc. I only have a MAJOR and (hopefully) FULLY understandable upset that we have to destroy/consume NON-DROPPING ITEMS in order to do so...

I hope that gets my point across a lot clearer. G'nite.
 
Agreed 100%, what f**ks me the most is MA/FPC approach:

Still same sh*t for year Im here, read if you want some historic equvalents, one thing is still the same in years:

MANIPULATION WITH FACTS ON THE EDGE OF LIE AND BEHIND IT!


1) Example from history: Bored of shooting monsters and not getting payed?
or: something like: come earn your fortune by playing the game

Why its lie: We all know it why, but 100% proof is 1USD per Hour rate - not free, and doesnt leave space for earning fortune IMO!

2) Example from now: Marco on his cloud (maybe on drugs) saying:

IMAGINE ModFAP tier 10, that would be smthng. Now we know it was Bull SH*T. Same lies or almost lies for so long :( 10xMODfap > 4000k PEDs? Wouldnt CP be cheaper?

FU*K YOU! Im not some IQ 70 idiot, I see through your marketing based on lies from the beggining, and it harrases me to be threaten like a Idiot :sniper:

Edit: Ok I vented a bit, but still I hold same opinion about marketing based on lies. Bad longterm strategy, could work for short term project, until ppl realize they have been lied to.

This is just the reality on any marketing. I don't see how MA's marketing is any different.
 
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