Gateway HoF?

[Razer]

Even in mining? Then the globaling/hofing newbie would have quite a hard time getting enough gateway extractors to extract it all

yep would be nice if Hanne will comment on this one, there is no way to get a extractor out there unless they added TT on there.

 

[mastermesh]

I was really hoping that would be impossible. I bet the place is gonna be flooded by fake/double accounts trying to do the same to get free ped.

You can likely count on it... problem will only get worse over time as new planets pop up and people don't want to pay travel fees, especially if the other planets get n00b zones like the gateway too.

 

[Mega]

While the Gateway is a micro-version of the EU-economy it is not impossible to HoF or global in either profession there. This was tested before Calypso Gateway was launched. So yes, it is working as it is supposed to. Of course, It is as you can imagine not a very common occurrence.

Congratulations to Miss Venom

Well at least we have an official reply on the subject. When I read the opening post I thought it may lead to a swarm of gold farmers but as this the first HOF in 6 months (?) that the Gateway has been with us as Hanne says, its a v. rare occurence, and similarly a mining HOF wont be able to be extracted - although I'd imagine a support case would be raised when that inevitably happens.

 

[TheVoid]

Well at least we have an official reply on the subject. When I read the opening post I thought it may lead to a swarm of gold farmers but as this the first HOF in 6 months (?) that the Gateway has been with us as Hanne says, its a v. rare occurence, and similarly a mining HOF wont be able to be extracted - although I'd imagine a support case would be raised when that inevitably happens.

The Devs were having fun on the test servers and they forgot to nerf the GateWay loot before the release

 

[M Rufen Power]

The Devs were having fun on the test servers and they forgot to nerf the GateWay loot before the release

 

[DoubleWolf]

At least it proves loot is not avatar based lol

Yeah this doesn't really prove anything. There could still be unusual "jackpot" loots that are given out at random and are completely independent of an avatar's own loot cycle... which is what I've believed for a long time. It's the only way to account for the observable patterns found in normal loot returns as well as the one day old noob hofs

In which case this HOF only reinforces MY personal belief...

 

[Majstorex]

Yeah this doesn't really prove anything. There could still be unusual "jackpot" loots that are given out at random and are completely independent of an avatar's own loot cycle... which is what I've believed for a long time. It's the only way to account for the observable patterns found in normal loot returns as well as the one day old noob hofs

In which case this HOF only reinforces MY personal belief...

Exactly, and there is no better area to let this be than the Gateway

It would be also nice to know whats the % of no looters occour at Gateway

 

[TheVoid]

doesn't really matter anyway, he can't withdraw that amount and since it's a noob he/she will lose it in a few days

will most probably spent the money on expensive weapons and armor, or a vehicle

 

[~CHOPPER~]

this seems like one of those loots.

Too bad all the rest of those "non loot pool loots" can't be proven as easy as this example.

There's probably much more then people realize.

 

[loren]

I cant decide what I think of this I know some people get lucky but I think this is screwed up people have played for a long time deposited and still never hof'd.

Someone needs to sort there shit out we couldnt even find a mob to kill but some random noob logs in for the first time and gets a decent loot bloody ridiculous!!!

 

[sidxx]

Does it?

We can only guess if the person has made a 50$ deposit, now can we?

and has spent it where? there is nothing to purchase at the gateway

 

[Haxtor moogle]

seeing this hof made me sad... so i logged off

 

[DoubleWolf]

And there is no such thing as avatar based loot. That's just another PR chitchat to avoid the casino discussion.

The only thing being avatar based is the loot window coz'..well..its the avatar that loots it. Nobody has an algorithm that is strong enough to appear random yet being based on variables tied to one root.

If avatar_tt_return_percentage < 0.85
then good_loot = 1

If avatar_tt_return_percentage > 0.95
then good_loot = 0

...you could play with all sorts of variations on that concept and then make everything else random.

There ya go...

 

[Jehu]

I disagree about the idea that loot is not avatar based. As Spike said, it's most likely not skill based. The idea of this ava depositing $50 and then getting the HOF is plausible but wouldn't it make more sense that the ava would have to loose that $50 first to be able to get the HOF?

And to the people who said that it doesn't matter coz she wouldn't be able to extract the claim.......umm....it was a hunting HOF, no extractor needed

 

[M Rufen Power]

And to the people who said that it doesn't matter coz she wouldn't be able to extract the claim.......umm....it was a hunting HOF, no extractor needed

No. What they said was that eventually someone will get a mining claim as big or bigger, even if its a very rare occurance it will most definately happen at some point. Unable to extract the claim & asking MA to do something about it . To be honest I don't know how I feel about the loot system, it's not skill based, nor time or place, or whether or not you have cycled thousands of ped, so that puts into question the so called TT return rate & makes this game seem suspicious, some are born losers & winners . How am I supposed to enjoy this game when the statements made from MA contradicts what is actually happening ingame in the loot system . The poll is now at about 50/50.

 

[truantduck]

yes I agree with the OP. Please make the new user experience as un-rewarding and as different as possible from the main part of the game.

Yet another completely pathetic forum topic. Good job OP, your jealousy is pathetic.

 

[Amenophis]

I'd rather see 5 globies/hofs daily in the gateway than 1 ath in 2 months from a total noob using gear/clicks waaaay over his head every 5-6 months. I think it is much healthier both as marketing strategy and customer care.

 

[filibert]

20k Atrox Young, 10k Drone1, 8K Argo Young, 5k Daikiba Young.

I'd say the Bery Puny was nothing to mention at all, lol. The ratio on above is far more worse than that.

@2 dmg/pec:
Atrox young 990hp= 4,95 ped 20k/4,95= 4'040x the base value
Drone1 300hp= 1,5 ped 10k/1,5= 6'666x
Argonaut young 300hp= 1,5 ped 8k/1,5= 5'333x
Daikiba young 30hp= 15 pecs 2k/0.15= 13'333x
berycled puny 10hp= 5 pecs 450/0.05= 9'000x
(I did'nt found any >2,5k for daikiba young so i changed your value)

you can see actually that yes it is worse lol ! Only daikiba goes higher

I've killed some 9k atroxes, my biggest is 340 peds so I can understand a side of the angry about the unproportional retribution. Now in that particular area, it is another bad joke for me, as all is free and supposed to give an preview of the universe content. If the mobs there are included in the pool loot, then all the players should have access to it, as it was a restricted area, i thought it was obviously not possible to get amplified loots.
All I can say is the move is not very very subtile: you promote your product by newbies by making a hof there, but for that you have 1,5 k used players that get pissed of lol!! (not to mention the newbies most prolly did not see the hof when 95% of the others did^^).That person could have looted let's say a 48 peds ESI, no glob, nobody knows but he's got a 230 peds loot, or 4x 20 peds mobs.
It is not what I would call a fair thing but it's not the end of the world, and it's very nice for the newbie, althought i'm half-sure it's just a reroll of an already existing player and that he laughed if it's case.

Filibert

ps: on a side note, funny to see that we got an answer from fpc, remember the ones stating 99% of time they cannot answer about economy or loot mechanisms as it is MA stuff? It was really nice to see an official answer in that thread anyway

 

[Xavier_Jr]

At least it proves loot is not avatar based lol

As we all know, even for believing in the theory based upon the avatar, there are positive or negative variations on the threshold of 90% TT. Because this limit, is understood to be a long-term (always). Not in a single run. Otherwise no one would doubt its existence, and would be The absolute true.

For that reason the fact does not proof anything about this believing.

And to the people who said that it doesn't matter coz she wouldn't be able to extract the claim.......umm....it was a hunting HOF, no extractor needed

Yes. HOFs in gateway could be only possible in Hunting and Crafting. Because in Mining could be a big joke. I am thinking in a newbie trying to buy all extractors from the rest of newbies... - please, can you give me your extractor: &%$! find yours by yourself this is mine!!- hehe

 

[heineken]

hmmm years later, thousands and thousands of dollars later....
someone in the welcome area of calypso gets a hof bigger than i have ever had...

! slap me in the face again yes?

 

[Mariko Ninja]

Here is something you might think about, let’s assume…

Loot is avatar based…
Many claim it’s too much work to run a system on avatar based loot.
Well is it ? Mindark keeps track of every pec you own or spend.
Take a weapon and shoot, ammo stacks are updated instant, armor damage is updated,
health is updated, skill gains is updated, all before the next shot.

However Hof and ATH could be a lottery that isn’t part of the avatar based loot.
Used by Mindark to get people to skill. Might be that globals are part of the avatar based loot.

Oh and do not confuse Unpredictability with randomness.
Not saying above is true, but it would change the picture a lot, just think about it.

Btw why do people make such a fuzz about an $50 noob hof ?

Or do we want all hof’s and ATH’s based on how much you deposited ?
If so then maybe uber hof should only come after one has deposited over 200k ?
And maybe an ATH after one has deposited over 500k ?

Or do people want to see avatars being favorite over others based on activity, years in game,
or how much one has deposited ? If so I wonder how many will stop looting.

yes I agree with the OP. Please make the new user experience as un-rewarding and as different as possible from the main part of the game.

Yet another completely pathetic forum topic. Good job OP, your jealousy is pathetic.

Very well said…

 

[mastermesh]

Btw why do people make such a fuzz about an $50 noob hof ?

why not? After all, since this is happening, let's follow the logical slippery slope started... why shouldn't MA just put random TT valued loot in to the loot windows for sweaters that are paying nothing in decay, just sweating, no swunting, no mining, no crafting, nothing...? After all, EU is dynamic, and sweaters do get a loot window, so why not? Sweat does have a TT value, just not a very big one. Why not open it up so that anyone sweating can get anything in the loot pool... Maybe even a mod fap?...

Help the n00bs, right?

 

[Mariko Ninja]

why not? After all, since this is happening, let's follow the logical slippery slope started... why shouldn't MA just put random TT valued loot in to the loot windows for sweaters that are paying nothing in decay, just sweating, no swunting, no mining, no crafting, nothing...? After all, EU is dynamic, and sweaters do get a loot window, so why not? Sweat does have a TT value, just not a very big one. Why not open it up so that anyone sweating can get anything in the loot pool... Maybe even a mod fap?...

Help the n00bs, right?

It was a hunting hof.

All what this thread is about is jalousy, same as some ubers complaining over and 20k atrox.
I'm glad to see it's possible, it means everyone is treaded equal and thats how it should be.

.

 

[falkao]

While the Gateway is a micro-version of the EU-economy it is not impossible to HoF or global in either profession there.

What may I conclude form this?

micro-version of EU's economy: could mean that it is the same economy but with less ped's cycled or it can mean that only some parts of the economy are implemented or both.

Let's see and wait if there are ATH's.

HOF's are possible but very rare: gateways economy cycles less ped's and hence less HOF's or there are less players and hence less hof's or both is true.

Well, the only thing we can conclude so far is that there are HOF's. Hence this feature is not turned off.

 

[Jehu]

However Hof and ATH could be a lottery that isn’t part of the avatar based loot.
Used by Mindark to get people to skill. Might be that globals are part of the avatar based loot.

Nope, HOF's are a loot over a certain amount. Remember seeing the 50ped HOF's?

Btw why do people make such a fuzz about an $50 noob hof ?

Because it shows the loot system is not balanced

Or do we want all hof’s and ATH’s based on how much you deposited ?
If so then maybe uber hof should only come after one has deposited over 200k ?
And maybe an ATH after one has deposited over 500k ?

Sounds good to me. I'm a regular depositor and have never got a loot over 200ped yet I've been playing and depositing since '07

All what this thread is about is jalousy, same as some ubers complaining over and 20k atrox..

Umm, no and no. It is not about Jealousy, it is about fairness and sustainability over the whole economy and society...something that FPC agrees with yet MA refuses to see.

I'm glad to see it's possible, it means everyone is treaded equal and thats how it should be.

Yes, we are getting as you said treaded .

 

[Joat]

that just proves skills mean nothing.

At least it proves loot is not avatar based lol

This just proves that we all look at EU in different ways. To me it do prove that skills do mean something, but not as a single influence but as a part of a combination, for every unique avatar...

 

[alien4kill]

After the HOF of Lady Venom, someoane should get a ATH, that would be nice

 

[JoseMTacoral]

At least it proves loot is not avatar based lol

I disagree with that statement, on the contrary would be a strong indication that the loot is generated on the avatar at the time of pick up the loot because it is highly unlikely that Mindark intentionally generate mobs with a HoF in EntropiaGateway.

Also, do not do anything but to agree with Mindark when he says that any mob can give any loot. Although you should have in mind that if something is possible not mean that it's probable.

The factors that probably takes into account the system to give the loot, including the random factor, are thouse that interest Mindark: consumption in PEDS and decay.

However, it seems to be no direct relationship between consumption + decay and size of loot. In my opinion, these factaroes determined in what "loot pool (LP) the system will find, randomly, the loot in the occation.

In the first LP the most common value would be "no loot" with some basic loot and minis, and a very few number of global and HoF.

In the second LP could be the loots of the importance of a global, and have a larger number of globals, HOF and ATH that in the the first LP, olso it would be much less common to find a "no loot".

At last, to complete the example, the third LP you would find more HOFs, ATHs and globals than in the first and second LP, and far fewer "no loot."

Then, at the end of the algorithm, once assigned the value of the loot, would be allocated the objects comprising it. Here is determining what type of mob was killed.

What is the role of the skills? Allow efficient use of weapons and tools to go for larger mobs (increasing consumption and / or decay) or use more expensive crafting or mining equipment (the same effect).

(sorry about mi english).

 

[Xavier_Jr]

Here is something you might think about, let’s assume…

Loot is avatar based…
Many claim it’s too much work to run a system on avatar based loot.
Well is it ? Mindark keeps track of every pec you own or spend.
Take a weapon and shoot, ammo stacks are updated instant, armor damage is updated,
health is updated, skill gains is updated, all before the next shot.

However Hof and ATH could be a lottery that isn’t part of the avatar based loot.
Used by Mindark to get people to skill. Might be that globals are part of the avatar based loot.

Oh and do not confuse Unpredictability with randomness.

Yes dear friend, i agree a lot with you. In fact, Starfinder one time said: The Uberloots and ATHs represents the 2% of total of Globals distribuited in game since beginings of Entropia Tracker. For that reason, i believe in two kinds of pools: One, the most greatest, based on avatar ("90% TT rule" at long time); and the other, a very little porcentage, as a great prizes and shared pool; that not is random if not unpredictable for most of us. When a lucky new guy obtains the prize of his life, looks to others like ramdomness; however exists some players who have more knowledges than the rest and can hitting in this pool more than the rest. Thats is in my opinion the real challenge of this game; and what let me to say that this game is amazing.

Or do people want to see avatars being favorite over others based on activity, years in game, or how much one has deposited ? If so I wonder how many will stop looting.

In fact is not exactly about "deposited" if not "expenses". The challenge is to discover our best way to play this game. Given posibilities to players at general, with or without deposits, but with expenses and knowledges. The Entropian Dream, can we call it.

 

[TheVoid]

The way I see it the decay we generate as a direct influence on the loot we get.

I did some test runs with big ore amps (and I never mine amped) and I started getting EnMatter globals...