Ghost vs Nemesis if... (POLL)

[Kujo]

Ghost vs Nemesis if both armors had the same markup on the market AND if both looked the same.

If current stats on them was the only thing that seperated them!

I have seen alot of ppl comparing ghost and nemesis and many different views on wich one is best.

What it comes down to is most often that Nemesis is all about looks, or nemesis saves on decay couse it has a little less prot or whatever... and the price differs blabla...

SO! I wonder wich of these two armors you would chose IF the look and markup when buying was the same on them.

 

[xerxes]

dont forget that Ghost is affected by the fact that it´s crafted and the price is affected due that also, not only looks/prot/dec

 

[Shorty]

i would say ghost.. most of it is because of the markup which is kinda insane if you ask me.. it looked way cooler before the graph changes, so i can imagine that people payed for the looks, i did once.. decay is lower but i think the mark up can't make up for that!

 

[Eron²]

purely on protection stats and all else thrown out ...

i would still go with nemesis. and the why would be that nemesis has better stats for my hunting style in as much as the protection on nemesis is very balenced over all non-specific damage types. where as ghost has alot of protection tied up in damage types i do not always need/want.

i am willing to trade out the cold/acid/elec of ghost for the increased firearms protection of nemesis as small as it is.

 

[Dom_sufc]

Whats better, spoon or knife?

It all boils down to what you want to use it for. Neme has always had the nice attraction to It for Its defense against bots and light PvP. Whereas ghost has always been great for close combat mobs. If you can afford it, buy both. or at least a set of Vigi instead of Neme. Actually if you bought Vigi, you can buy Ghost with the savings, and you can now hunt alot more things

Yeah having an all in one armor is better, but to be honest, Neme isn't great for any serious PvP, and generally, there arn't usually many challanging animal mobs near bots. So having specialist armors aint so bad.

Nevertheless, I chose ghost, as you can hunt a bigger variety of mobs, and even with 6a plates, you can tackle upto 06 Drones. Mind you, the same could be said with Neme + whatever plates. But generally, I would have to choose Ghost.

 

[Kujo]

I see some still talk about the price (markup) and looks...

Im only interested in wich you would chose based only on stats. Imagine they had same price and look!

Hmm, maybe I should have talked abit about what mobs I was thinking of allso Well didnt rly think about it tbh hehe...

What Im gonna hunt in the armor if I buy one of them is Atrax, Atrox, Hogglo... well thats the main 3 Im thinking about. I have some other armors for some other mobs but these 3 are all same on dmg (1/3 imp, 1/3 cut, 1/3 stab).

Today I only have shogun for this and I want to upgrade, but Im not intersted in price and looks on these 2 armors, only funktion.

So what is interesting to me is prot/eco and balance in prot...

Nemi against these mobs prot 15, 15, 15 =45 total
Ghost prot 13, 15, 19 =47 wich is more but not as balanced... does it mather at all??

 

[PW3CKA]

For Its Nemesis,
I got both , ghost and nemesis, and even if the protection is lesser, i still save 10 peds with neme on 100 ped hunt ( with 5b plates ), i borrow ghost to my soc mate, and i will stick with neme.

 

[dbelinfante]

The discussion is basically moot. Nemi IS all about its looks. It was one of the best looking sets before, and it still is today.
Ghost is cheaper than Rascal these days, and it has better general protection than Nemi against 99% of all animal mobs, ASIDE from its cold and electric protection.

Against all that, Nemi offers 6.5 more penetration protection, and 4 more burn protection. Clearly, any argument in favor of Nemi is just rationalization for a non-rational choice.

I had Nemi for a long time. Because it looked so great. Nothing wrong with that. But don't make out like there's a rational argument in favor of paying 1300 ped more for an armorset that protects less.

Again, there's nothing wrong with wanting to look good. It's why clothes sell. But even at the same price, Ghost is the better choice rationally speaking. Let alone when you can buy five sets for the price of one Nemi.

 

[NastyCenturion]

M8 do not buy a armor for stats ... U do not but viking or salamander and plan to hunt hogs ... The main problem it is not if it is better it is if it fits your hunt style.

If u never heard of allo or fefs buy the nemesis, if u never plan to hunt drones or go to pvp buy ghost.

 

[L3xUS]

i would go for ghost ... the only thing u cant rly do with ghost is hunting bots .. but the markup of nemesis is much too high for the protection given u could buy a ghost + vigi and its still cheaper then a nemesis and u have a bot and mob gear

 

[demonic]

I say ghost

I sold full nemesis and bought ghost as it's better than nemasis agains almost everything.

 

[aridash]

the cold and electric protection still wins it for Ghost. unless you go looking for high level bots/warriors, the firearms protection on ghost is adeqate (and cheaper...) for low end drones you might bump into.

With Ghost looking like Angel now and Nemesis looking fairly non-descript, i foresee the price gap closing.

 

[Kerham]

Ghost. If I'll loot myself a nemesis, I'll have great pleasure in wearing it since now it looks awesome, but I won't pay that for it. Same as I'll never buy vampire, but I'll wait 'til I'll craft myself one.

 

[safara]

I would say that very much depends on your hunting style AND skills/weaponry etc.

As you get more skills and hit harder, on the same mobs you don't need the greater protection.

I love hunting big trax. Apart from the stupid stalkers I can comfortably kill all of them. In Ghost/5b I dont fap as much as in Nemi/5b. But the extra fap use during a 300 ped run is less than the extra protection decay cost of using Ghost. It costs me about 10 peds less per 300 ped hunt using Nemi over Ghost on the traxes. This adds up over time

When my skills and damage rise more, I will drop down to something like Shogun/5b for the same mobs, thereby making a greater saving hopefully.

In short, they are both great armours. I all depends what you skills are and what you re shooting.

 

[Kujo]

M8 do not buy a armor for stats ... U do not but viking or salamander and plan to hunt hogs ... The main problem it is not if it is better it is if it fits your hunt style.

If u never heard of allo or fefs buy the nemesis, if u never plan to hunt drones or go to pvp buy ghost.

As I said, it is for hunting "1/3 imp, 1/3 cut, 1/3 stab" mobs like atrax, atrox and hogglo.

I hunt feffs in my Kobolt armor, I hunt drones in shogun+6A plates, I dont feel I need more prot on thoese mobs atm.

 

[dbelinfante]

I would say that very much depends on your hunting style AND skills/weaponry etc.

As you get more skills and hit harder, on the same mobs you don't need the greater protection.

I love hunting big trax. Apart from the stupid stalkers I can comfortably kill all of them. In Ghost/5b I dont fap as much as in Nemi/5b. But the extra fap use during a 300 ped run is less than the extra protection decay cost of using Ghost. It costs me about 10 peds less per 300 ped hunt using Nemi over Ghost on the traxes. This adds up over time

When my skills and damage rise more, I will drop down to something like Shogun/5b for the same mobs, thereby making a greater saving hopefully.

In short, they are both great armours. I all depends what you skills are and what you re shooting.

You are saying that the 2 points additional close protection Ghost/5B offers over Nemi/5B costs you 10 ped on a 300 ped hunt, and this after deducting the added fap decay (which also should be almost negligible)?
I have less than 50 ped armor decay after a 300+ ped hunt on traxes, using Ghost/5B. I doubt very much that I could save 20% on armor decay by using Nemi instead, for losing just 2 points protection.

 

[Kujo]

It costs me about 10 peds less per 300 ped hunt using Nemi over Ghost on the traxes. This adds up over time

This is exactly the thought that got me thinking and made me create this poll. 10ped might not sound as much but I plan on staying in Entropia for awhile so if I can save money everytime with neme I will sooner or later get back the extra markup and then be on the +side vs ghost.

But it's so hard to balance it, to know when you cross the line in eco between protection vs fapping.

 

[Kujo]

You are saying that the 2 points additional close protection Ghost/5B offers over Nemi/5B costs you 10 ped on a 300 ped hunt, and this after deducting the added fap decay (which also should be almost negligible)?
I have less than 50 ped armor decay after a 300+ ped hunt on traxes, using Ghost/5B. I doubt very much that I could save 20% on armor decay by using Nemi instead, for losing just 2 points protection.

But the minimum decay on Ghost is allso higher then on neme cosue on this point you calculate on all it's protection, even the prot you dont need for the mob. The more total prot the armor offers the higher the minimum decay is...

This means that when he hunts atrax and he bumps into smaller once that do only 1.0 dmg the cost on ghost is higher on each hit than neme.

 

[NastyCenturion]

As I said, it is for hunting "1/3 imp, 1/3 cut, 1/3 stab" mobs like atrax, atrox and hogglo.

I hunt feffs in my Kobolt armor, I hunt drones in shogun+6A plates, I dont feel I need more prot on thoese mobs atm.

for long runs Nemesis (over 500 ped runs), the ghost starts to loose protection quite fast but if u do not plan long runs ghost is better IMO

 

[safara]

You are saying that the 2 points additional close protection Ghost/5B offers over Nemi/5B costs you 10 ped on a 300 ped hunt, and this after deducting the added fap decay (which also should be almost negligible)?
I have less than 50 ped armor decay after a 300+ ped hunt on traxes, using Ghost/5B. I doubt very much that I could save 20% on armor decay by using Nemi instead, for losing just 2 points protection.

I am not that much of a number cruncher dbelinfante, and I am not sure how it all works. All I know is that armour/fap decay on a 300 ped run on the Traxes were around 50ish for the ghost and 40ish for the nemi. I did 5 runs with each armour about 2 months ago. There were variations for each hunt due to how much I got mobbed etc, but on average, for these mobs and using the 147, I found the Nemi about 10 peds cheaper to use.

I dont think the 2 points less protection is the whole story, maybe the lower TT value helps as well.

It could also be that 5 runs each were not enough I was not really doing a full on comprehensive test. I gave up doing the comparison and just used the nemi on the trax. I suppose I should do it again this vu to see if I get the same sort of results.

 

[dbelinfante]

But the minimum decay on Ghost is allso higher then on neme cosue on this point you calculate on all it's protection, even the prot you dont need for the mob. The more total prot the armor offers the higher the minimum decay is...

This means that when he hunts atrax and he bumps into smaller once that do only 1.0 dmg the cost on ghost is higher on each hit than neme.

There is virtually no difference between Nemi and Ghost in this respect. Again, because the protection is almost the same. In fact, only Youngs and Matures cause higher minimum decay on Ghost. Those maturities are not subject of discussion here. All other maturities have a decay/protection ratio that is exactly the same for both sets.

Even taking average dmg from Atrax instead of max, the difference in minimum decay is 21 PEC at its largest, and it only happens with a Domi. All other maturities have a min decay difference of 4 PECS or less.

Try earning your 1300 ped back that way.

 

[Lycan]

I go nemesis and is not for looking better like some people says, i don't agree with that, i prefer nemesis cos has better decay, let's compare the tt value of it, ghost=348 and have 2000 point of durability, and nemesis=235.1 and have 3000 point of durability, so is a huge diference on decay, but i agree that the markup of nemesis is a lot high for the diference... but in long run of the years it could be better nemesis. Is only my opinion



Lycan

 

[aridash]

But the minimum decay on Ghost is allso higher then on neme cosue on this point you calculate on all it's protection, even the prot you dont need for the mob. The more total prot the armor offers the higher the minimum decay is...

This means that when he hunts atrax and he bumps into smaller once that do only 1.0 dmg the cost on ghost is higher on each hit than neme.

im bound to be corrected, but i dont believe this is the case. you only pay the minimum in regards to the damage type. using Ghost to hunt bristle you come back with tiny decay bill.

note the difference in TT values. the higher TT on Ghost means that it will keep its protection for longer, but also means you will end up with a higher running cost.

 

[GullyFoyle]

I go nemesis and is not for looking better like some people says, i don't agree with that, i prefer nemesis cos has better decay, let's compare the tt value of it, ghost=348 and have 2000 point of durability, and nemesis=235.1 and have 3000 point of durability, so is a huge diference on decay, but i agree that the markup of nemesis is a lot high for the diference... but in long run of the years it could be better nemesis. Is only my opinion

Read this:
http://www.entropiawiki.com/Chart.aspx?chart=ArmorDecay

 

[PW3CKA]

dbelinfante : i think you are only angry because you dont have money for Neme
( After one year playing i will have my neme for free , and you in your ghost will give MA money to my Neme, THANK YOU )

 

[Xerces]

dont forget that Ghost is affected by the fact that it´s crafted and the price is affected due that also, not only looks/prot/dec

Someone trying to steal my identity...

 

[dbelinfante]

im bound to be corrected, but i dont believe this is the case. you only pay the minimum in regards to the damage type. using Ghost to hunt bristle you come back with tiny decay bill.

note the difference in TT values. the higher TT on Ghost means that it will keep its protection for longer, but also means you will end up with a higher running cost.

i think (hope?) he's referring to min decay suffered from dmg that is less than the total protection. As Ghost protects more, the dmg threshold is also higher. So when hunting the same mob, theoretically the armor with the higher protection also suffers worse from dmg that doesn't surpass the threshold. I say theoretically because the difference between Ghost and Nemi is so small. Now if you were comparing Nemi and Shadow, it wouldn't be theoretical.

If he was referring to dmg types that are not affected, then yes, that would be non-sense.

 

[dbelinfante]

dbelinfante : i think you are only angry because you dont have money for Neme
( After one year playing i will have my neme for free , and you in your ghost will give MA money to my Neme, THANK YOU )

I think I might be able to afford a Nemi, seeing I just sold my Shadow.

 

[dbelinfante]

I go nemesis and is not for looking better like some people says, i don't agree with that, i prefer nemesis cos has better decay, let's compare the tt value of it, ghost=348 and have 2000 point of durability, and nemesis=235.1 and have 3000 point of durability, so is a huge diference on decay, but i agree that the markup of nemesis is a lot high for the diference... but in long run of the years it could be better nemesis. Is only my opinion



Lycan

Durability is meaningless. TT value is the only ACTUAL indicator of durability, the armor's ability to last while being damaged.
So Ghost is better in that respect as well.

 

[Kujo]

im bound to be corrected, but i dont believe this is the case. you only pay the minimum in regards to the damage type. using Ghost to hunt bristle you come back with tiny decay bill.

note the difference in TT values. the higher TT on Ghost means that it will keep its protection for longer, but also means you will end up with a higher running cost.

I havet tested my self but read somewhere forumlas that someone come up with, dont have the link and dont know if its official but wrote it down on paper...

minimum decay: All prot on armor /100 =X pec.
This gives Ghost 84 /100 = 0.84 pec minimum cost each hit taken. Nemesis 67,5 / 100 = 0.675 pec. This means a 1.0 dmg hit cost 0.165pec more on Ghost, not much

armor decay:
(2.9(absorbed dmg^2)+29.55*absorbed dmg) /1000 =X pec
This is the same on all armors.