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Land Grab: MA thx ppl for great ideas with a BAN

Alien said:
I don't think the person who made the event planned to screw anyone over, just to point out that MA had forgotten to turn off the event creation @ the marker.. Albeit in a way that was a little extreme

If the purpose of the event was to screw over all participants, wouldn't the event have been scheduled to last for 4 hours? It was only a one-hour event, and I don't believe it was creating with the intention of using it to win the Land Area
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You are right, the intent was likely just to be a smartass. There were 2 or 3 MA officials right there if someone wanted to point out that it was possible to make an event on a LG LA. The one day ban was commensurate with the action, and hardly worth making a thread about.
 
getting choppy in this teacup. seriously, he tried to be funny, MA slapped him on the wrist for it: lesson is dont get cocky.
 
it was me

Dunno if it was written, but it was me who created the event.

I did it to try it, and i made the smallest possible, 30 min event.
Im sorry to all who got angry or frustrated, and ma removed it right away.

As far as i know i couldnt cancel it once it was setup.

once again sorry to all that got pissed off.
 
Looser said:
Dunno if it was written, but it was me who created the event.

I did it to try it, and i made the smallest possible, 30 min event.
Im sorry to all who got angry or frustrated, and ma removed it right away.

As far as i know i couldnt cancel it once it was setup.

once again sorry to all that got pissed off.
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good man. not for making it lol but for admitting and apologising. that says something
 
It wasn't the first time; i think a temp ban makes sense. It's not like it was some new brilliant diabolical scheme, just some copycat...

Edit: Just saw Looser's post. Guess it was without malice, just a bad time to be experimenting. LOL
 
Tracer-Bullet said:
So according to that rule and the logic you have applied to it, we should also temp ban people when they <snip>
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How the hell you even took that last post of mine seriously, I really do wonder. I quoted a post where they asked if it was anything in the EULA that covered MA's asses in such situations, and I found one. Thats that. Stop reading more into it then it is. :rolleyes:
 
A one day ban is not a ban, its temp ban. A slap on the wrist. I reminder when you hear that voice on your shoulder, theres a reason your hearing it.

Like ppl always say. If you loses money on bug or lag do to MA, bug never gets fixed but if MA's losing $ it gets fixed soon. So the LA event priority will get fixed. Really all they have to say is dont do it. No code writing involved.
 
Skam said:
It was a test phase sure, but there was also a very real landarea up for grabs.


Well there's always the infamous
"c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe."

and while this isnt a bug, maybe this could apply:

"j. You must immediately report errors and bugs in the Entropia Universe to MindArk whenever You discover them. You may not "cheat" or otherwise neglect to report errors or bugs, use bugs, slow connection, Internet latency, or other 'exploits' for own benefits or for the benefit of others."

Perhaps? ;)
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"c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe."

closing rig goes under that too?

"j. You must immediately report errors and bugs in the Entropia Universe to MindArk whenever You discover them. You may not "cheat" or otherwise neglect to report errors or bugs, use bugs, slow connection, Internet latency, or other 'exploits' for own benefits or for the benefit of others."

since it was a 30 min event, it wasnt cheat, and event never started,
you dont give ppl a speeding-ticket when they buy a new car, just as they have the ability to drive fast. (same idea as minority report)

and i never had the chance to cancel it or report it, i was kicked out right away lol
 
:eek: This guy just got a place in EU's History :eek:

And Knuckels too :laugh:

Humping, humping all day long,
On 08, in an event on a LG area.
Na na na na na :whistle:

PS: MA acted like spoiled rich kid. Someone managed to annoy them using their own rules and they award him with ban.

I bet someone at the MA's office said, right after giving the temp ban: "That will teach them not to mess with us. Ztupid depositors... mhuaaaa"


Gife itamz!
 
slither said:
Working in the online casino industry for the past 10 years I've heard the 'spirit of the law' v 'letter of the law' argument a thousand times.

The simple fact is, when money is involved, you make damn certain that all possibilities have been covered in the rules. If you get the rules wrong then u accept it and get on with improving things further - the customer is always right when he follows your rules.

Banning a player (even for 1 minute) for following your rules is a joke, no matter what his intentions or motivations - even more so when it's a test phase to shake out the gremlins.
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That's not entirely true, recently a couple of major poker sites chased several players for something like 4 million won using a bug where everyoine in a sit and go got placed second ....and got paid out...this wasn't cheating, it was poor programming and testing, but it still may end in court.

You're right about they should take ownership of the problem, it IS their problem that this wasn't noticed before and especially poor if it's happened before ...smacks of not giving a damn IMO.

They could easily make the event system "unavailable" for the LG time...hell they do it with my FAP and weapons every day with no problem at all :rolleyes:

A day ban is not too bad, the principle that he did something wrong or against the EULA or rules is what grates, he simply shouldn't have been able to. As for interfering with player enjoymment...LOL...PKers who do exactly that to miners daily can't really fly that flag can they?

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thats a lesson learned lol. atleast next i know that i wont try to be a smart ass haha.
 
Was it really that smart? If you were that smart you'd know full well that interfering with the LG so that other players could not partipate would end up with you recieving a ban. Sort of like tickling a bear to see if it will take a swipe at you :duh:
 
Looser said:
Dunno if it was written, but it was me who created the event.

I did it to try it, and i made the smallest possible, 30 min event.
Im sorry to all who got angry or frustrated, and ma removed it right away.

As far as i know i couldnt cancel it once it was setup.

once again sorry to all that got pissed off.
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You are a bad bad boy!!! :naughty:

:laugh:
 
Looser m8 what have u done now :yay::D:yay:
 
Skam said:
Well, I think the reasoning was that the person in question was attempting to "sabotage" the landgrab event by creating an event there. It was just a 1 day ban. A slap on the wrist.

You can claim it was just a silly prank (and knowing the person in question, it no doubt was.) but then again that person is not exactly a newcomer who didnt know what he was doing, and it certainly wasnt a "great idea". It was silly, and if he'd thought about it a little longer before doing it, I think he'd see that himself.

This happened during the one of the Motörhead events aswell, a person made an event on the landarea prior to the event so people had to pay for a ticket to be there to get the ticket to the real motorhead event. He too was temp banned, iirc.

Could FPC have handled it better?
Yes, they should be able to disallow events prior and under the LG rounds.
Was it a unjustified ban?
No, it was a slap on the wrist. The person in question abused the possibility of making an event on the landarea. If he wanted to make a 'point' that this is something that needs fixing, then he should have sent a support or rang them up. All this did was create confusion among people who have waited a very long time for LG.
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the sad thing is that this is THE ONLY WAY to make them wake up.
Ive sent several of bug/error-reports to MA and none is fixed.
Alll you ever get is "forwarded to designteam"

there is a security-issue that makes goldcards worthless, which i informed them about one year ago, both via supportcase and via email, guess what, the bug is still there.
 
Well it's been said before in the thread but, ok, let's say this was not illegal. But the one doing it (Looser) must have known it would be using the system in a way that would not be accepted (yes it is not using a bug but not far from it). I think most players would not do this as they would "know" there is no way they could do this and get away with it.

So as I see this, he did something "stupid", MA said "don't do that!" and banned him for 24h, fair enough.

I can't put my finger on it but I somehow think that pulling mobs into the area or using Pet's is ok but this is not.....

Somehow this was using the system in a way not intended to hinder others and getting some kind of advantage/reward (if set for 4+h) while pulling in Atrox Stalkers (if doable) would be using the "hunting/combat" system to you advantage....


/Dendron
 
it was set for minimum time (30 min) to not affect the lg itself
 
Looser said:
it was set for minimum time (30 min) to not affect the lg itself
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How would it NOT effect the LG? The event was set to start half an hour after LG was supposed to start. IIRC, you had the only ticket for the event and there were none for sale, so everyone else would get booted off the LA within 10 seconds if they tried to enter.
 
slither said:
Working in the online casino industry for the past 10 years I've heard the 'spirit of the law' v 'letter of the law' argument a thousand times.

The simple fact is, when money is involved, you make damn certain that all possibilities have been covered in the rules. If you get the rules wrong then u accept it and get on with improving things further - the customer is always right when he follows your rules.

Banning a player (even for 1 minute) for following your rules is a joke, no matter what his intentions or motivations - even more so when it's a test phase to shake out the gremlins.
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Therefore you're quite aware that rules in online and live casinos change across casinos and there is at least one major messageboard where rule changes are constantly discussed and sometimes implemented. Players get banned and assets seized from time to time in online casinos due to breaking the rules (and one major online poker room was itself found guilty of cheating). People get temporary bans from live casinos frequently even when their action is only questionable.

Many rules require a judgement call live, it's less of an issue online because one would hope the company responsible for the programming of the game would have the ability to enforce some rules more strictly. In this case, however, it was announced as a test of the land grab system and therefore nobody should be banned for breaking it.
 
Looser said:
the sad thing is that this is THE ONLY WAY to make them wake up.
Ive sent several of bug/error-reports to MA and none is fixed.
Alll you ever get is "forwarded to designteam"
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Evidently they have a perfectly good way of dealing with the problem, as demonstrated yesterday, so there's no real need for a fix.
 
Ah, Looser lol. Who else :laugh:
 
the event management system has a button for disabling event creation by participants other than the land owner.

when marcus callendar showed up and claimed the land from emma the guide before land grab started, he simply needed to push that one button on the land management terminal. evidently, he didn't. whallah, we have an event controversy.

don't call it a bug. blame it on marcus callendar. i understand why they locked looser, and for what he did a one day ban seems fine. but at the same time they should probably also temp ban marcus callendar.

or at the very least, maybe make him wear a pink tutu to the next employee meeting.
 
Skippie said:
or at the very least, maybe make him wear a pink tutu to the next employee meeting.
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...and post pictures of it after. Please. ;)
 
I gotta call a big :bs: on this one... FPC should disable the event creation ability 24 hours prior to the beginning of the LG. That is just part of the pre-event checks that should always be done. I don't think Looser did anything wrong. He did not change programming code or alter files - he used the correct interface provided ingame. It does not matter if it gave him an "advantage" for the LG... people use the auction interface every damn day to get an advantage by falsely inflating the market history.

Sounds to me like the tempban was because Looser caught FPC with their pants down... FPC got embarrased that they had not completed the proper event preparations... so they lashed out at him instead of looking in the mirror.
 
aww :)

<3

soon lg time!
selling lg-tickets @ tp
j/k

no events today except lg itself!

gl all!
may the best (allied) society get the LAs!
 
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