Quiting and "Selling Out" threads

[Vixen]

if the rule is that no threads on quiting or returning are allowed...then it seems that people saying they are quiting in a sales thread should also adhear to that rule..but it doesnt seem to be applied by mods as there are many of those posts. what gives?

 

[Canesh Athey]

Well if what you say its true an we cannot post about us quitting in the forums I guess We in sweden doesnt have a law reguarding freedom of speach. It is clearly stated in the eula that PE is subject to/beneath swedish law. Again im not law expert or anything like and im answering to hearsay however it might be worth further investigation by those who are more experienced and knowledgeable about swedish laws and law itself...

 

[fresco]

if the rule is that no threads on quiting or returning are allowed...then it seems that people saying they are quiting in a sales thread should also adhear to that rule..but it doesnt seem to be applied by mods as there are many of those posts. what gives?

should they say

"Selling all the skills and items and everything i have (just for fun - long live pe and me in it)"

is that what you mean - or should we ban all selling out threads altogether?

 

[MindStar9]

Vixen my dear, you're right ... quitting and selling out threads are not allowed using that type of terminology.

MB will shut down a thread about "quitting" faster than you can report it, but the "selling out" threads are a little harder to catch, SO ...

If anyone runs across those that are not clearly stated in this particular terminology in the title of the thread, but definitely have comments in the post regarding "quitting" and/or "selling out" ... would you be kind enough to bring that to our attention via PM so that we can take care of it?

Thx a bunch! You guys are just simply awesome!! I get notifications all the time regarding questionable threads and this really helps to keep the forum the way it's meant to be.


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[fresco]

my post was supposed to be a sarcasm


you've got to delete angel's and dekels posts right away

 

[Bosko]

question to MindStar9: why is word quitting "fobidden"?

 

[jsm]

Stupidest rule.

EVER

 

[MindStar9]

The rules are the rules I'm afraid, and if someone posts threads about quitting, it either gets deleted or locked ... it's that simple.

If you want a more specific reason as to "why?" ... then perhaps you can PM MindBuster to get more information.

In the meantime ... the fact that this topic was even brought up with regard to quitting being discussed in selling threads where it might be more challenging to discover, it prompted my asking that if anyone knew of such threads to report them, just like others do when they notify MODs.

I don't make the rules, but as a Moderator, I am obliged to make sure that they are adhered to.

If further discussion needs to take place with regard to Vixen's original post, then let's keep it on topic.

Vixen? ... if your question has been answered, then perhaps we can entertain closing this thread. Your call Hon!



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[ZarathustrA]

Stupidest rule.

EVER

Actually.. it's not.
I thought it was too and often times I forget why it's their and go back to thinking it's dumb. But it is neccesary.

Without it you get annoying goodbye threads that only result in a "Nevermind!" or "Hey, I'm back!" post a month later. Just goto EP if you want to see this kind of crap.
I think people use "fake" quit/sell out posts alot of times just to protest, in a way, about the game. Which only ends up wasting our time.

If someone you know truly is quitting then you'll know. It's not like you need a forum post to wish someone farewell.

It's a neccesary evil.

 

[Vixen]

you've got to delete angel's and dekels posts right away

Angel is selling all her items but clearly said not quiting...Dekel did say he was quiting and wants to sell it all off. It just boils down to not saying you are quiting...even if u are. Seems pretty simple to me.

Thanks for the answer...lock this at your leisure.

 

[MindBuster]

Qutting threads will be deleted on first sight, we dont need such threads here, EntropiaForum is for ppl who likes the game and play the game.

As mentioned in the EF rules (and by Zarathustra in this thread)...

...any threads made about someone leaving the game like "I'm quitting", good or bad, WILL be deleted, a decision about quitting shouldnt take 5 mins, but should be considered over a longer period of time, so plenty of time to tell your friends about it ingame, it's not something for this forum, many "I'm quitting" threads produces just as many "I'm back" threads.

As for the sales threads, when i discover a sales thread which includes "quitting" i usually deleted the "quitting" part and let the rest of the thread be as it is, it would be very nice, as MS9 mentioned, if you could report any such "quitting" within sales threads to a moderator or me via PM, to prevent the sales thread to turn into quitting discussion, thanks.

Well if what you say its true an we cannot post about us quitting in the forums I guess We in sweden doesnt have a law reguarding freedom of speach. It is clearly stated in the eula that PE is subject to/beneath swedish law. Again im not law expert or anything like and im answering to hearsay however it might be worth further investigation by those who are more experienced and knowledgeable about swedish laws and law itself...

EntropiaForum is a privately run forum, the server is located in the US and the owner (me) in Denmark, it's got nothing to do with Swedish laws.
Even if it was there is NO free speech on the internet, the internet is international, each website has their own rules, if something is "legal" in real life doesnt mean it has to be legal on a website.
Just as in private clubs in real life, they have certain rules too, or like sports, just because you are allowed to pick up your own football with your hands you are not allowed to do it when playing a match or you get the yellow/red card.
Pornography may be allowed in your country, but a website owner can disallow it if you wanted to post some of it on a website.

 

[The Goat]

Haha, If you guys really have any questions on getting your "quitting" threads cut short, just ask me! Seems as though I have had a couple closed. Mindbuster does a good job at snagging most of them.

Mindbuster actually has edited a couple of mine also. He deleted some of the "quit" "leaving" portions but let the rest stand.

My opinion - if anyone cares (which I doubt they do) All quitting threads should be cut off. Selling threads are ok, because think about how hard it is to sell your Imk2 ingame, when there are only like 2 people who are intrested, and you are never online at the same time.

Besides PE - wants this game to remain reputable, and also want the public to think that it is a game worth playing, and continually playing.

The other end - I have had a post closed about rejoining. I kinda thought that was a good publicity thread for the game. Mindbuster thought it a bit different.

 

[Canesh Athey]

Qutting threads will be deleted on first sight, we dont need such threads here, EntropiaForum is for ppl who likes the game and play the game.

As mentioned in the EF rules (and by Zarathustra in this thread)...



As for the sales threads, when i discover a sales thread which includes "quitting" i usually deleted the "quitting" part and let the rest of the thread be as it is, it would be very nice, as MS9 mentioned, if you could report any such "quitting" within sales threads to a moderator or me via PM, to prevent the sales thread to turn into quitting discussion, thanks.



EntropiaForum is a privately run forum, the server is located in the US and the owner (me) in Denmark, it's got nothing to do with Swedish laws.
Even if it was there is NO free speech on the internet, the internet is international, each website has their own rules, if something is "legal" in real life doesnt mean it has to be legal on a website.
Just as in private clubs in real life, they have certain rules too, or like sports, just because you are allowed to pick up your own football with your hands you are not allowed to do it when playing a match or you get the yellow/red card.
Pornography may be allowed in your country, but a website owner can disallow it if you wanted to post some of it on a website.

I thought the discussion was about MA not allowing quitting thread so I think i got it backwards. However reguardless of what you say Mindbuster there are certain laws that you'r website is subject to. However that is not what this topic was created for.

 

[Francine]

What if the sale post says " i m taking a break"?

 

[Thug Life]

was thinking you were leaving vixen, is "selling out" allowed ?!

 

[MindBuster]

IHowever reguardless of what you say Mindbuster there are certain laws that you'r website is subject to.

Well ofcourse there is, things that are against the law either where the server is located or where i live.

But i can disallow things that is not against the law. Just because something is not against the law doesnt mean it's allowed everywhere.

 

[Canesh Athey]

Well ofcourse there is, things that are against the law either where the server is located or where i live.

But i can disallow things that is not against the law. Just because something is not against the law doesnt mean it's allowed everywhere.

Thats true, again I Thought the discussion was from MA's point of view when it really was related to this forum only so I got it the wrong way lol (man I shouldnt post anything before getting atleast 2 coups of coffee into my system). My apologise for that slight misunderstanding Mindbuster

 

[Vixen]

What if the sale post says " i m taking a break"?

thats not quiting, is it?

 

[Sonne]

lol

hey there all you Mates, friends, Fellows or what ever !!

I myself started to sell out and try to quit .......uhm maybe 2 or 3 times ???

LOL and finally I myself saw that I never will quit PE.....I think.

ok, I sold most of my skills to invest into a Shop @ CND, a G-Apartment up there too and into some black clothes....... now I have to build up some skills again to be able not to be seen as NooB with 98 Agility

but I think if someone definately wants to quit and is sure about, he should make the offer to other Players via Forums too.

This way I think its better thing not to start deleting any post wich is about quiting. I would see it as an offer to other PE loving and adicted People to get a nice Item he/she ever dreamed about via a different way then auction

yours Sonne

 

[LokiDarkStar]

It's not 2006, its 1984

Double Speak is alive and well....

In my poor opinion, I know that the 'powers that be' don't agree, but if I see an 'I’m quitting' post, Heh, I don't read it unless I know the person. Of course I have not had the 'right' to do so here, but I’ve been playing on the internet for a loooonnnngggg time.

I am concerned about the 'fear' I see in not allowing people to vent. I am concerned about the lack of 'caring' for the 'powers that be ‘in issues that might have a real effect on the game. Why can't other players, if they are interested in sharing their problems with a game and want to explain why, express their reasons about quitting???

Some 'Huber' said he did not want to 'waste' his time reading such post, Heh, ok, if the post says I’m quitting, DON'T READ IT, no waste of your time.


Again, as in other threads, some like to point out that I’m an American, yep and proud of it. So, as an American, I have deep feelings about the concept of 'FREE SPEACH’; just call me dumb I guess.

If the owner of this forum is 'scared' to allow people to state their thoughts and is saying "oh, the game is located here, and the server is located here and I’m located here, and all of you can just whine about it", or words to that effect, what does that tell you about the people that run this 'game'?

We will not allow anyone to say anything we don't like? We will decide what is correct? We are the powers that be and you must OBEY?


Yep, I guess as an American I have a 'small' problem with that, and I would hope that any citizen of any free country would have the same problem, does not matter if I’m an American, I am a free person.

DS

 

[DragonMan]

You must spread
some Reputation
around before giving
it to LokiDarkStar
again.

 

[Badger]

its his forum and therefore his rules. if you dont like the rules and still want to express your views try another forum...

 

[LokiDarkStar]

My Dear Badger

Yes, i'm sure that the person that 'owns' this forum would love for me to follow that thought.

But, I suggest that by making a 'forum', one that allow people to state their opinions, then his 'personal' opinions should stand down. Or my Dear Badger, ddo you only wish to sign on where all are 'singing' the same song from the same book?

If that is the case, why is this a 'public' forum for the players of PE? If that is the case, in that it should only reflect the desires of the owner, don't you think it might be a bit fairer to state that "if you don't agree, please don't sign on, please don't post, and NEVER, EVER, say any thing I might disagree with? Sounds kind of boring to me??? But different stokes for different folks..

DS

 

[JackFree]

Double Speak is alive and well....

In my poor opinion, I know that the 'powers that be' don't agree, but if I see an 'I’m quitting' post, Heh, I don't read it unless I know the person. Of course I have not had the 'right' to do so here, but I’ve been playing on the internet for a loooonnnngggg time.

I am concerned about the 'fear' I see in not allowing people to vent. I am concerned about the lack of 'caring' for the 'powers that be ‘in issues that might have a real effect on the game. Why can't other players, if they are interested in sharing their problems with a game and want to explain why, express their reasons about quitting???

Some 'Huber' said he did not want to 'waste' his time reading such post, Heh, ok, if the post says I’m quitting, DON'T READ IT, no waste of your time.

Again, as in other threads, some like to point out that I’m an American, yep and proud of it. So, as an American, I have deep feelings about the concept of 'FREE SPEACH’; just call me dumb I guess.

If the owner of this forum is 'scared' to allow people to state their thoughts and is saying "oh, the game is located here, and the server is located here and I’m located here, and all of you can just whine about it", or words to that effect, what does that tell you about the people that run this 'game'?

We will not allow anyone to say anything we don't like? We will decide what is correct? We are the powers that be and you must OBEY?

Yep, I guess as an American I have a 'small' problem with that, and I would hope that any citizen of any free country would have the same problem, does not matter if I’m an American, I am a free person.

DS

I think you might need to see the difference between threads that discuss issues and allow players to vent their frustrations in a coherent and constructive manner (which are allowed and do exist on this forum) and threads about quitting. The quitting threads usually do not contain any useful or constructive content, they are usually filled with "this sucks" " I hate this.." or other comments of that kind.

I agree that those sorts of threads should be deleted. As for those people that think there is no "free speech" in EF, I suggest you read some of the critical threads that have appeared over the last weeks.

Just my "free speech" opinion...

Cheers

 

[Badger]

Yes, i'm sure that the person that 'owns' this forum would love for me to follow that thought.

But, I suggest that by making a 'forum', one that allow people to state their opinions, then his 'personal' opinions should stand down. Or my Dear Badger, ddo you only wish to sign on where all are 'singing' the same song from the same book?

If that is the case, why is this a 'public' forum for the players of PE? If that is the case, in that it should only reflect the desires of the owner, don't you think it might be a bit fairer to state that "if you don't agree, please don't sign on, please don't post, and NEVER, EVER, say any thing I might disagree with? Sounds kind of boring to me??? But different stokes for different folks..

DS

You know what, i never actually thought of that!

You know what the sollution is dont you.... Change the 'owners' views, best way is trough PM methinks.

The very best of luck to you


btw no need for the condescending language use and style

 

[LokiDarkStar]

My Dear Jack

Who watches the Watchers?

Again, if someone post an "I'm quitting" post, i don't read unless i know the person and am 'shocked' about the post, most of the time, i just say, ok, a 'whiner', (yep, i use the term also)

Why does this type of post have to be deleted? What is the danger?

Or is it that someone is worried it might effect the 'bottom line'?

DS

 

[dbelinfante]

LokiDarkStar is right of course. In the end there is simply NO rational reason for barring any kind of topic. MB hasn't offered any, and as this his forum, he is under no obligation to do so. It just means that this forum is not free.

Don't say barring quitting subjects is to prevent certain types of threads. Who cares? If you wanna read or participate, go ahead, otherwise, ignore.

These rules are a goal unto themselves. And asking other members to report violators is simply sick.
This forum is the best there is on the subject of PE. I haven't been playing PE for long enough to understand why this is so, some will argue that it is precisely BECAUSE of MB's censorship that EF is what it is, but I think that is bs.

Abusive language and worse arguably is subject to censorship, and banning its posters. But forbidding topics like other games, quitting PE, selling out, that is too ridiculous for words. What is MB afraid of? From where this tendency to stifle certain subject that are unwelcome to the mods?

More than ever, free speech is under attack. To see it so easily curtailed even where "just a game" is concerned, where no possible harm can be done, is sickening, and worrisome. And to just claim "I can, so I will", that makes it worse, not better.

And for so many posters to so easily agree to having themselves gagged and tied, well...

 

[aridash]

id have to say, it is hard to believe this board is indepedent somtimes. Ive seen less restrictive rules on boards run by the game publishers.

But at the end of the day, its MB board, his money and time going into running it , so i guess its his rules.

If you dont like it, you start another - that is what free speech is actually about.

 

[JackFree]

I read EF to discuss PE with other players, and I like to discuss the good and the bad. We are doing just that in this thread as well.

I don't feel that I'm...

themselves gagged and tied, well...

...so I can't agree with any of the "there is no free speech on EF" opinions.

I appreciate not havin tons of "I'm quitting" threads taking up space that could be used for more productive topics.

I personally do not have a problem with the way MB runs this forum.

Cheers

 

[dbelinfante]

I read EF to discuss PE with other players, and I like to discuss the good and the bad. We are doing just that in this thread as well.

I don't feel that I'm...

gagged

...so I can't agree with any of the "there is no free speech on EF" opinions.

But you are. You cannot start just any harmless topic you like.

I appreciate not havin tons of "I'm quitting" threads taking up space that could be used for more productive topics.

I personally do not have a problem with the way MB runs this forum.

Cheers

How are you bothered by threads that don't interest you? How are they taking up space? Do you actually believe that if it weren't for "bad" threads, there'd be more room for "good" ones?

MB can close this thread down as well. It is basically up to his whims. He allows us to continue, or not. If he shuts it down, he may divulge his motives for doing so, or not.

That is not free speech.