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I was just curious about his claim so started viewing snapshots of the HOF board over the past 8 years. I couldn't find any evidence of his claim, so I was asking for him to enlighten me.

It doesn't solve anything, was just a curiosity point.
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If it is too much for you, hunt smaller mobs.
You cant expect to be at your expectation value when there are x500 and x1000 returns in your hunts that happen rarely.

Hunt smaller mobs, hunt more MU to reduce impact of volatility on your bankroll. Just adapt to what is provided to you, a lot of people do so successfully.
Obviously you aren't getting it. No one said it was too much for me. I am not emotionally posting anything and only providing helpful information to digest for MA. I have killed millions of mobs and I would like to kill millions more. I would like the loot to work as expected for the hunting community though.

I always make adjustments but the only good adjustment to be made at this point is to do other professions. Which I have shifted PED to mining and other activities. However that doesn't fix or address the issues with hunting does it? Nope sure doesn't ;)

I would like to keep the focus on the average hunting returns (which are far below normal) not what you think of my personal PED card. So don't say what is too much and pass false blame to take the focus off the real topic at hand. You are projecting. Lets focus on loot and making it better again.
 
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So back to my original question - what exactly is the expectation?
The expectation with Loot 2.0 was that PED would last longer!!

It is the expectation that was published by MA with Loot 2.0. I expect my monthly returns to be between 95-98% TT. I would call a very bad month 94% ( in the past )since I failed to be with in that range. To get 91% is an issue with the system at this point. That isn't acceptable at all and far out of the expected range. Then for this to happen in consecutive months should be "Impossible"

Like everyone I have had bad months before where you get that dreaded 94.7% return but you bounce back and have great months. That is now gone!

It has been replaced with 91-92% months over and over and it feels impossible to even reach 95% for the month. Which is why there is a problem and I think we can all agree on that. The loot has been dialed way back by MA. For what reason we can only speculate at this point. Is it legal or financial? Who knows. It would be great if an MA official can address us though so we can stop with speculations on why MA has dialed the loot back.

This is why these threads exist the average returns are 5-10% lower than what is expected long term. These new returns aren't acceptable for someone who plans to play everyday. This goes against the goal of Loot 2.0 to make PED last longer. The worst returns in the history of the game shouldn't be right now.(at least since I started) That is my expectation and believe many people that quit already agree with that.
 
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It is the expectation that was published by MA with Loot 2.0. I expect my monthly returns to be between 95-98% TT. I would call a very bad month 94% since I failed to be with in that range. To get 91% is an issue with the system at this point. That isn't acceptable at all and far out of the expected range. Then for this to happen in consecutive months should be "Impossible"

I don't think MA stated everyone should get 95-98% per month - I'm pretty sure they said that was an average based on activity. Average and guarantee are not synonyms.
 

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I don't think MA stated everyone should get 95-98% per month - I'm pretty sure they said that was an average based on activity. Average and guarantee are not synonyms.
First don't skip over this very important part that isn't happening.

The expectation with Loot 2.0 was that PED would last longer!!
The fact is PED isn't lasting longer, it being spent the fastest since I started this game. Why is loot dialed back so much? These returns aren't remotely sustainable. Some deposits for players are in the 60% range. What is their motivation to deposit again?


Next yea based on activity of course. If you are cycling a lot and have enough loot signals which the players addressing this issue have. Then you should be with in that range.

I really don't think people want to cycle 100k and get 91%. Then you scale that up and cycle 500k oh it went up 1% to now get too 92% This then creates the fact you need an ATH to get to 95-98%. I really don't think anyone wants a system where you need an ATH to get within the expected long term returns!!

This isn't how it was intended or set up. It was intended that fresh new players all the way up to seasoned veterans had a chance for their PED to last longer!!! Obviously that isn't happening and I hope we can bring back the players that are on vacation right now from this game to give it another chance. MA would of course have to fix loot first. Are they dialing it back for a big migration? Who knows but this isn't good.
 
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Can't we let this thread bleed to death already?

Point = made... lol
 

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IMO, the expenses from MA side are constant (personel, infrastructure, etc.) and probably there's less players to fund those expenses so everyone has to contribute more.

They said the the average loot would be 97% based on activity if i recall correctly. If the activity lowers, so does the average loot for everyone.

Personal and biased comment: I'm an ignorant when it comes to game companies, but i still don't see why does this game require 47 people working on it. :confused:
 

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Can't we let this thread bleed to death already?

Point = made... lol

I think the point is made when we get an official response in this thread by MA on their view of Loot 2.0 and where it is at currently and plans for the future. I also don't think that is asking for too much on a thread that has this many views on a topic that is so important for people that invest a lot of time and money. I also think the point is made when loot improves back to where it once was.

I know these thread can be difficult to pop in and say hi but it is welcomed and the community would love it.

It's okay to have constructive discussion about this game and point out when it isn't behaving correctly. I think any gaming company welcomes that. I think this thread has been helpful and hope something happens. :yup: I hope this game has many more awesome years to come.
 

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The fact is PED isn't lasting longer, it being spent the fastest since I started this game. Why is loot dialed back so much? These returns aren't remotely sustainable. Some deposits for players are in the 60% range. What is their motivation to deposit again?

I know you like to project your personal experiences onto every other player, but my peds are lasting longer, as with plenty of others I know, but I guess it's fake news since that doesn't fit with your "facts". I still think there's a limit to how much hand-holding MA should do in a game with real money on the table. If it didn't require any thought, this game would bankrupt itself quickly. A lot of the chronic complainers here seem unwilling to even consider that their returns are under their control.
 

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IMO, the expenses from MA side are constant (personel, infrastructure, etc.) and probably there's less players to fund those expenses so everyone has to contribute more.
And because everyone has to contribute more, there will be less players to fund those expenses and then everyone will have to even contribute more and so on, downward-spiral untill R.I.P EU.
 

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I think the point is made when we get an official response in this thread by MA on their view of Loot 2.0 and where it is at currently and plans for the future. I also don't think that is asking for too much on a thread that has this many views on a topic that is so important for people that invest a lot of time and money.

I know these thread can be difficult to pop in and say hi but it is welcomed and the community would love it.

It's okay to have constructive discussion about this game and point out when it isn't behaving correctly. I think any gaming company welcomes that. I think this thread has been helpful and hope something happens. :yup: I hope this game has many more awesome years to come.
just do what i did, cash out & move on to black desert online, better graphics, better combat, way cheaper, way more complex =)
After 1,5 years of discussing shit return, i've given up on MA ever addressing the issue.
 
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I know you like to project your personal experiences onto every other player, but my peds are lasting longer, as with plenty of others I know, but I guess it's fake news since that doesn't fit with your "facts".
I think you and a few others are the ones that like to project your personal experiences on others and claim it isn't happening. It's great you personally are doing fine and the people you know are too. No one said that is fake. However your personal experience doesn't change anything that has come up time and time again in this thread that hunters with experience are going through. Hunters with more than enough looter, knowledge and gear. You personally doing well isn't a good model for success of this game. So it is you who is projecting a tad bit too much.

What I am trying to do is talk about the average returns that are down lately, many other hunters have confirmed this but that is fake news right? Other threads were started and with great concern I took it upon myself to start a conversation with MA about Official Returns. Can you please at least accept these facts and stop saying the world is fine. We aren't going to grow the hunting community that way. We aren't going to keep new players without a system that they can have faith in. We aren't going to win back the hunters that left because of abysmal loot. I much rather this game thrive so we can all have some fun. That is why this thread exist.
 

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I think you and a few others are the ones that like to project your personal experiences on others and claim it isn't happening. It's great you personally are doing fine and the people you know are too. No one said that is fake. However your personal experience doesn't change anything that has come up time and time again in this thread that hunters with experience are going through. Hunters with more than enough looter, knowledge and gear. You personally doing well isn't a good model for success of this game. So it is you who is projecting a tad bit too much.

Dude, I don't doubt that there are people doing poorly one bit, regardless of skills/gear/bankroll. It's not just in this thread, you can search and find countless threads just like this, time and again, even well before 2.0.

All I'm trying to say is that if you are losing peds faster than you think you should, maybe... just maybe there's a chance that is your fault and not MA's. Are you playing the game or is the game playing you?
 

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Dude, I don't doubt that there are people doing poorly one bit, regardless of skills/gear/bankroll. It's not just in this thread, you can search and find countless threads just like this, time and again, even well before 2.0.

All I'm trying to say is that if you are losing peds faster than you think you should, maybe... just maybe there's a chance that is your fault and not MA's. Are you playing the game or is the game playing you?
Is Abomb coding the returns, multipliers etc. or MA?
 

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Is Abomb coding the returns, multipliers etc. or MA?
Alukat, by reading your posts (which are always exactly the same), a question comes to me.

What's your GOAL in Entropia ?

That's a real question.
It seems, and maybe I'm wrong, that you login in front of the crafting machine, and you always log out in front of the same machine.

So, okay, why not.

But why ?
Again what is your main goal ?

I'd like to understand what you are asking exactly and why.
 

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Alukat, by reading your posts (which are always exactly the same), a question comes to me.

What's your GOAL in Entropia ?

That's a real question.
It seems, and maybe I'm wrong, that you login in front of the crafting machine, and you always log out in front of the same machine.

So, okay, why not.

But why ?
Again what is your main goal ?

I'd like to understand what you are asking exactly and why.
It used to be getting all BPs, becoming RTs #1 crafter and getting some profit along the way.
For now, untill MA reduces volatility, it's just selling the remaining stock i have, getting the 5-digit hof for 95% return would be nice, but i doubt it will happen.
 

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ok ive read like 90% of this thread and I can no longer help myself so heres my 2 cents.

abomb,

you are a single person on a down streak. and you have heard from other players their lot is bad just like yours. unless you are personally checking there returns, (downright impossible) its just hearsay. Hell even if they have a log themselves there is no way for you to prove if there entries are infact true.

My suggestion to you is log your returns and keep grinding, your always 1 mob away from that glorious multiplier.


alukat,

your 390k cycle is a mere drop in the bucket, idk how long you have played for but you seem to not be factoring every other single person playing the game. I use myself here as an example, someone with a full time job and not as much time to play as I like. I cycle on avg 100k peds per month, and I am by no means a hardcore player. I would put myself fin the very slightly above avg category. There are ppl playing this game cycling more then u have in less then a months time. along with many other players at my speed cycling 100k per month.


all in all what everyone seems to not understand is the game needs money, just like a Casino. not everyone can win. ppl have to lose. if you are not ok with this (and I say "you" as in anyone "playing" this game) then this is not the game for you.

yes there are ways to "make" money in this game, but shooting mobs or crafting at the terminal are not how u make money. money is made from other players, this has never changed in this game.
 

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alukat,

your 390k cycle is a mere drop in the bucket, idk how long you have played for but you seem to not be factoring every other single person playing the game. I use myself here as an example, someone with a full time job and not as much time to play as I like. I cycle on avg 100k peds per month, and I am by no means a hardcore player. I would put myself fin the very slightly above avg category. There are ppl playing this game cycling more then u have in less then a months time. along with many other players at my speed cycling 100k per month.
The 390k are not PED cycled, it's amount of crafts done.
Also, what's that for a poor excuse for the bad returns?
 
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Unfortunately the archive only goes back to 2012, but still:




So are you saying if I could see a HOF list from 2010 it would look glorious and everyone was just dancing in a rain of PEDs?

I guess then I'm confused, are y'all complaining about system changes from 2010 or from loot 2.0? Or from just the last couple months which is what I thought the thread was about? Do y'all even know what you're complaining about any more?
At the rest of further perpetuating this stupid thread, they are correct that the HoFs was very different back in 2012 compared to now. Big HoFs on relatively small mobs were much more frequent. A 5-digit Eviscerator Gen 2 would not happen today. Back then there were 5-digit HoFs on <2000 and even <1000 HP mobs very frequently. We also had much longer and much more brutal losing streaks than is possible today.
 
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The 390k are not PED cycled, it's amount of crafts done.
Also, what's that for a poor excuse for the bad returns?
You need to relook at your numbers again

Crafting:

Ped TT Spent - 304961.57168
Ped TT Gained - 287669.53459
Return % - 94.33% (rounded)

This is a perfectly reasonable expectation...if not better than i would expect crafting.

Mining:
Ped TT Spent - 65386.53864
Ped TT Gained - 56605.36
Return % - 86.57% (rounded)

I'm not much of a miner, so i don't know how reasonable this is, although i would say it should be a higher return than what you have got (other miners would have to advise).

Hunting:
Ped TT Spent - 74035.7517
Ped TT Gained - 68941.53612
Return % - 93.12% (rounded)

This is a perfectly reasonable expectation...depending on what you are hunting, what weapon you are using, what your looter skill is, etc.


So far, only mining seems to be the issue for you, in saying that you seem to think all three professions are linked?
 

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At the rest of further perpetuating this stupid thread, they are correct that the HoFs was very different back in 2012 compared to now. Big HoFs on relatively small mobs were much more frequent. A 5-digit Eviscerator Gen 2 would not happen today. Back then there were 5-digit HoFs on <2000 HP mobs very frequently. We also had much longer and much more brutal losing streaks than is possible today.






Unfortunately the days of the above are long gone. When you put a 2 Million HP mob in the game it cant 'no loot' (as did originally happen to mild rioting) and so 'no loots' disappeared. No loots used to happen very often, it was just the way things were.

When you always loot you get more average loot and HOFs when they appear will be smaller.


You cant change Entropia, you can make your feelings known but if it decides to take no notice, you adapt your own gameplay to counter it. :yup:


Hope you enjoy the pretty pictures with items in the loot window anyway ;-)
 

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Unfortunately the days of the above are long gone. When you put a 2 Million HP mob in the game it cant 'no loot' (as did originally happen to mild rioting) and so 'no loots' disappeared. No loots used to happen very often, it was just the way things were.

When you always loot you get more average loot and HOFs when they appear will be smaller.
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And these days you may get always loot, however you depend on bonus-shrapnell and/or multipliers for good return. Hf killing a couple hundred of those 2 million HP mobs without getting a single multiplier or bonus-shrapnell, but many ~40%-return loot events ^^
 

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Unfortunately the days of the above are long gone. When you put a 2 Million HP mob in the game it cant 'no loot' (as did originally happen to mild rioting) and so 'no loots' disappeared. No loots used to happen very often, it was just the way things were.

When you always loot you get more average loot and HOFs when they appear will be smaller.


You cant change Entropia, you can make your feelings known but if it decides to take no notice, you adapt your own gameplay to counter it. :yup:


Hope you enjoy the pretty pictures with items in the loot window anyway ;-)

Seriously dude??

Goddamnit!!

I saw them every freaking day!! The global window was spammed with 1k+ noob mobs.

All I ever got was a measly 2,7k armax old. :tongue2:
 

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At the rest of further perpetuating this stupid thread, they are correct that the HoFs was very different back in 2012 compared to now. Big HoFs on relatively small mobs were much more frequent. A 5-digit Eviscerator Gen 2 would not happen today. Back then there were 5-digit HoFs on <2000 and even <1000 HP mobs very frequently.

I agree this thread is fucking cancer; thanks for actually explaining it though.


We also had much longer and much more brutal losing streaks than is possible today.
So it seems like going back to that would just be even worse for the people who think the current state is bad? I don't understand what people are asking for exactly... but nvm I don't really want to any more.
 

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you should read the whole 390k crafts - 90% return part again.
HF having something like that, when you only craft 10-100 PED crafts...
That is not what you provided in your data though. The data you provided was:

PED TT spent, PED TT gained, Return%, amount
Total – Crafting 304961,57168 | 287669,53459| 94,33| 568364
Total – Mining 65386,53864 |56605,36 |86,57| 73238
Total – Hunting 74035,7517| 68941,53612| 93,12
So yes, 390k crafts with 90% TT-return, been there.


Please advise at what point in this data, the tt spent/tt gain/return % is your 390K crafts returning 90% returns?
As it specifically says you had 94.33% return on your crafts. From the looks of it, you have just come up with a random number of 390K craft with 90% return.
 

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There is no point to this thread tbh. LOOT IS SAME (JUST DIFFERENT with 2.0). It has been like this since 2006. Every year something else works, something else is HOT, and theres always something that can make you some money. The thing is, it changes all the time. What worked a month ago, doesnt work today... DYNAMIC :silly2:

The famous ""adapt or die" , really goes a long way.

I know MA sucks and this could be a better game with much larger loot %, if MA implemented some features, but I dont think MA cares :) Why should they, always someone new playing anyways :)
 

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From the looks of it, you have just come up with a random number of 390K craft with 90% return.
No, i've been there, that was even my first post in this thread. 390k clicks with 90% return is such a bad result that it's pretty tough to forget.
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...d-91-Returns&p=3749489&viewfull=1#post3749489

Maybe you should just read everything and stop pulling stuff out of context.

The story gone even further, 390k clicks = 90%, about 410k = 95%, because 4 times 1000, a times 250ish multiplier within 20k clicks, but in your opinion i'm making that one up too, right?

Well, now i remember why i did put you on igno.
 
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No, i've been there, that was even my first post in this thread. 390k clicks with 90% return is such a bad result that it's pretty tough to forget.
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...d-91-Returns&p=3749489&viewfull=1#post3749489

Maybe you should just read everything and stop pulling stuff out of context.

The story gone even further, 390k clicks = 90%, about 410k = 95%, because 4 times 1000, a times 250ish multiplier within 20k clicks, but in your opinion i'm making that one up too, right?

Well, now i remember why i did put you on igno.
You put me on ignore because it was easier than providing any sort of data to back up your claim.

Your first post is the same, not providing data, yet for some reason you can provide the tt in and tt return that gives you a 94.33% return.... which contradicts your claim. This has been the same thing in ALL of your posts throughout different threads. Eveytime someone has asked you for specific data, what you craft, bp's used, skill levels and everything else that would be relevant to work out the potential issue.

So here, i have 594K clicks and 114% return for 2018. System working as intended....no more to see here folks.
 
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