they walk amongst us

[Svarog]

Well, we are several swedish that has posted in this thread...

No wonder the bugs aren't fixed, the whole team is on the forum

 

[OZtwo]

No wonder the bugs aren't fixed, the whole team is on the forum

No I think you got it a bit backwards here. Read the subject line....hmm

 

[Joat]

No wonder the bugs aren't fixed, the whole team is on the forum

If I had worked at MA, EU had been a bit different...
But who knows... I might end up there in the future...

 

[TACUTTING]

Well, we are several swedish that has posted in this thread...

Japp , tjena t.o.m i GBG : ) men mest i garaget nuförtiden





ps , köper gärna en tvåpelarlyft för peds

 

[Joat]

Japp , tjena t.o.m i GBG : ) men mest i garaget nuförtiden





ps , köper gärna en tvåpelarlyft för peds

Tjena!
(I guess I have to reply in english
I sold my old Chevy PU so I'm not that much in the garage anymore.
But who knows, might sell out all stuff and skills in EU (but still playing) and buy me a
new car or PU one day...

 

[S4400Salvation]

This has always been a issue on my mind when i first saw that rx beta something unit mining in pvp4.

What i would like to know is it okay for an employee to get claims that were meant for actual participants?

 

[Rayden]

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[S4400Salvation]

I'm guessing it is the prize for the players that pk (loot) him.... has you have said it is pvp4.

Can understand he has to be looted by pk'ers ect, but imagine a participant mining same area as the RX, and the claims go to the RX.
Who will get screwed over, im sure it's the participant.

 

[Svarog]

What i would like to know is it okay for an employee to get claims that were meant for actual participants?

They are actual participants. They spend money that otherwise would be removed from the system and lost for us, so technically it's like a deposit. They draw out the lootpool, but also feed it, like everyone else. And, best of all, they never withdraw.

but imagine a participant mining same area as the RX, and the claims go to the RX.

It works both way.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

We know that everyone that works at MA/FPC has an avatar; and that they get a peds to play with each week; and they are stimulated to play the game.

So have you ever seen one of them? suspected a certain avatar to be one of them?
Would they be in your soc? would they infilitrate your soc? You might even have teamhunted with one of them?

Can you tell? they don't complain, maybe, since they would have to complain to their own work.
would they roam as freelander? How suspecious would they be? Are they on your friendlist? Do they own UL sib, uber gear or mid level stuff? Do they do all three proffesions?

They, they walk amongst us; the creators walk amongst us. Can you find them?

Yes. Even tracked one by IP on my TS3 server. Certain individuals were accusing me of scamming, etc back in the day. Pretty much daily reports filed against me by the same dozen vindictive people who simply wanted me out of the game for no other reason than they didnt like me.

Anyway, we were under investigation for quite some time, and an individual from Sweden used my TS3 server with access granted to 4 different names. All the same IP, etc.

I told nobody, not even that person, that I knew. Nothing to hide, so whatever. Investigate away, anytime. In fact it gave me some insight into how the organization worked, and helped me to realize that lots of people on this board who claim MA does no work, etc are completely full of shit.

They're always looking at data points within EU, playing secret avatars and cooperating with groups on multiple levels to see how enjoyable their product is, and where its problems are.

 

[Joat]

This has always been a issue on my mind when i first saw that rx beta something unit mining in pvp4.

What i would like to know is it okay for an employee to get claims that were meant for actual participants?

Depends on what theory that are most accurate, is it the theory that says any claim
has same value for anyone or is it the theory that says each individual build up
their own values for looting?
I'm in the last one, so for me there are no problems that they play.
If one of those players hit a hof, doesn't necessarily mean I had got it if he/she wasn't there.

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

Can understand he has to be looted by pk'ers ect, but imagine a participant mining same area as the RX, and the claims go to the RX.
Who will get screwed over, im sure it's the participant.

Think of it this way. Say we had a participant who deposited and always ran into pvp4 to mine and get looted. Even if he somehow did get a hof he never left until he got looted. He would always logged out having used all his deposit. Question: Is he good for the rest of us or somehow helping himself and cheating us?


Take the non rx unit case. Undercover avatar. They can deposit money into the system but can never withdraw it. They probably have a whole list of things they can and cannot do. Question: If they never withdraw only keep depositing more and more and using up their deposits how are they cheating the rest of us?

 

[Acro]

...
I told nobody, not even that person, that I knew. Nothing to hide, so whatever. Investigate away, anytime. In fact it gave me some insight into how the organization worked, and helped me to realize that lots of people on this board who claim MA does no work, etc are completely full of shit.

They're always looking at data points within EU, playing secret avatars and cooperating with groups on multiple levels to see how enjoyable their product is, and where its problems are.

So the plot thickens; not only do they walk amongst us, but they act like benevolent guardians of the game.
Let's see if we can uncover some more of the good deeds they've done. I'm sure they may not talk about this themselves, but I bet they snicker and feel proud reading all this

 

[S4400Salvation]

Think of it this way. Say we had a participant who deposited and always ran into pvp4 to mine and get looted. Even if he somehow did get a hof he never left until he got looted. He would always logged out having used all his deposit. Question: Is he good for the rest of us or somehow helping himself and cheating us?


Take the non rx unit case. Undercover avatar. They can deposit money into the system but can never withdraw it. They probably have a whole list of things they can and cannot do. Question: If they never withdraw only keep depositing more and more and using up their deposits how are they cheating the rest of us?

They are "depositing" how?
How tough is it to kill a RX unit?
Where does the ped come from that makes them able to play the game.

 

[S4400Salvation]

Depends on what theory that are most accurate, is it the theory that says any claim
has same value for anyone or is it the theory that says each individual build up
their own values for looting?
I'm in the last one, so for me there are no problems that they play.
If one of those players hit a hof, doesn't necessarily mean I had got it if he/she wasn't there.

That's the thing u never know if u get loot or not, but would u rather see a player get the hof or a RX unit (with all the advantages that comes with being an employee).

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

They are "depositing" how?

Where does the ped come from that makes them able to play the game.

My understanding is their "deposit" is from MA wages and from proceeds of in game sales like xmas sale.

How tough is it to kill a RX unit?

They have a lot of health and are quite costly to kill. In events I remember shooting them and their health didn't go down much if at all from my solo shots.

 

[S4400Salvation]

They have a lot of health and are quite costly to kill. In events I remember shooting them and their health didn't go down much if at all from my solo shots.

That's the thing only a handfull of ppl can actually kill the RX so the number of ppl who can actually get that loot goes down dramatically.

 

[Joat]

They are "depositing" how?
How tough is it to kill a RX unit?
Where does the ped come from that makes them able to play the game.

As already mentioned, it's from sales and similar.
They can increase or decrease their PEDvalues as they wish, but reason for not doing it,
is quite simple: if they increase it, more values are in circulation (if they use the new value)
so the chance, or risk, depends on who we ask, for a higher value to be withdrawn from
their RL values. They nned to keep this balanced.

PEDs has no real connection to RL money, there are however a mechanism that increase
these ingame values at a deposit from RL money.
The higher total value ingame that are in circulation, the better for the players.

That's the thing u never know if u get loot or not, but would u rather see a player get the hof or a RX unit (with all the advantages that comes with being an employee).

You never know exactly when a individual loot pop up, but again, what he/she has built
up isn't my progress, it's his/her, so I will never get what he/she get.
For my part it doesn't matter if the RX get it or not, since they can both get the hof,
and they can be reason for it be to triggered for someone else.
To be honest, it's more annoying to see certain players get hof or ath, that I know
haven't followed the EULA/ToU thru' the years ...

 

[Magyar_Republic]

Take the non rx unit case. Undercover avatar. They can deposit money into the system but can never withdraw it. They probably have a whole list of things they can and cannot do. Question: If they never withdraw only keep depositing more and more and using up their deposits how are they cheating the rest of us?

They are not allowed to withdraw. All their PED are cycled back into the system, making MA owned avatar a non issue.

I have this from multiple very reliable sources. There's definitely a list.

From what I can ascertain they are also not able to participate in politics of any kind. They may participate in group activities, but only to document and report.

Any discussion of MA avatars corrupting or undermining the system are pure conjecture, and have no basis in reality.

 

[Talania]

They are not allowed to withdraw. All their PED are cycled back into the system, making MA owned avatar a non issue.

I have this from multiple very reliable sources. There's definitely a list.

From what I can ascertain they are also not able to participate in politics of any kind. They may participate in group activities, but only to document and report.

Any discussion of MA avatars corrupting or undermining the system are pure conjecture, and have no basis in reality.

They are not able to withdraw with the avatar they have since they work at MA. That doesn't mean they can't give all they get to a friend who has an avatar that can withdraw.......and since that friend would know exactly what to do to avoid putting up red flags with the withdraw it could be done without MA ever figuring out.

 

[Nor Alien]

They are not able to withdraw with the avatar they have since they work at MA. That doesn't mean they can't give all they get to a friend who has an avatar that can withdraw.......and since that friend would know exactly what to do to avoid putting up red flags with the withdraw it could be done without MA ever figuring out.

Some how I think this is more incorrect. They are under strict regulation and are more then likely watched very closely including detailed logs.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

They are not able to withdraw with the avatar they have since they work at MA. That doesn't mean they can't give all they get to a friend who has an avatar that can withdraw.......and since that friend would know exactly what to do to avoid putting up red flags with the withdraw it could be done without MA ever figuring out.

Holy conspiracy theories, Batman!

Is this just for conjecture, or do you actually believe that individuals involved would want to jeopardize their jobs, and their product for what basically amounts to petty cash?

If the latter, I think you may need a break from this product, or at least this forum. Something has toxified your thought process beyond what is rational.

 

[Acro]

To all of you who think MA employees would abuse the system and give their grand sum of 25$ a week to their friends or set up other grand schemes; think for a sec, will you.

Would you risk your job for such stupid things?

 

[Naomi]

They are not able to withdraw with the avatar they have since they work at MA. That doesn't mean they can't give all they get to a friend who has an avatar that can withdraw.......and since that friend would know exactly what to do to avoid putting up red flags with the withdraw it could be done without MA ever figuring out.

That'd probably be against the house rules.
and why would they. Swedish wages are pretty high compared to the rest of europe.
And besides, it is more fun to upgrade/spend

 

[whiteknut]

Not entirely on the topic, but i have a feeling that those MA avatars also buy stuff from auctions just to boost the economy (not much lately, but about 2 years ago, it was very often(about 1 a month) that 25-26 items i had on auction sold with 25 minutes) All different items (armors+skills+bps+materials).. and very often they werent the cheapest BO ones on auction. So it felt like just MA buying up my stuff, and getting markups up (dont know why), and also giving me free peds to recirculate in crafting or mining.
It is just a wild theory but i loved it a lot, as it really boosted my personal revenue.

 

[aia]

They are not allowed to withdraw. All their PED are cycled back into the system, making MA owned avatar a non issue.

A theoretical issue is if they buy items with very high markups, let's say a land area; it will mean a big amount of PEDs going from MA to a designated player (the seller) and that those PEDs then can leave the game. Another theoretical issue is if they do something that will have an impact on the market (let's say they buy all quads in auction, with or without intention to resell).

I hope though that the "rules of conduct" for what they do with the funds they have access to mentions this.

As for RX, if the RX types of avatars would engage in normal gameplay it would probably clearly visible. I got the feeling RX mining in pvp4 is a kind of event thing. (Maybe it would be fun also for other players if the RX/wastelanders held event also outside areas you need antitoxic shots).

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

They have a lot of health and are quite costly to kill. In events I remember shooting them and their health didn't go down much if at all from my solo shots.

I just realised that's probably incorrect. I was thinking of wastelanders who have high hp. The RX units probably have less hp but it's long time since I've seen them so don't remember.

 

[Talania]

Some how I think this is more incorrect. They are under strict regulation and are more then likely watched very closely including detailed logs.

Holy conspiracy theories, Batman!

Is this just for conjecture, or do you actually believe that individuals involved would want to jeopardize their jobs, and their product for what basically amounts to petty cash?

If the latter, I think you may need a break from this product, or at least this forum. Something has toxified your thought process beyond what is rational.

That'd probably be against the house rules.
and why would they. Swedish wages are pretty high compared to the rest of europe.
And besides, it is more fun to upgrade/spend

It is just a random thought. Not likely that they would do it for the weekly amount. But if they ever hit big it is something to consider as being possible if they know the withdraw system well enough. But MA employees are all saints so it would never happen.

 

[mastermesh]

It is just a random thought. Not likely that they would do it for the weekly amount. But if they ever hit big it is something to consider as being possible if they know the withdraw system well enough. But MA employees are all saints so it would never happen.

and they are all geniuses who never make mistakes at all. That's why Entropia Universe is bug and exploit free, has the fastest support system that always fixes any problem handed to them within 24 hours, and has been this since the beginning...

 

[aia]

I just realised that's probably incorrect. I was thinking of wastelanders who have high hp. The RX units probably have less hp but it's long time since I've seen them so don't remember.

I Think though they have "above average" HP also. I don't Think MA walks around with players like RX or Wastelanders when they want to walk undercover.