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I opened 15 boxes, by the time I opened the 10th, I kinda knew something was up, so I don't really mind the conseqeunces whatever they may be.
 
castanhas said:
Imagine buy a scratch for 3 dollars, and u get 20 dollars back, u proceed to buy the rest of the scratch pile and they all get prizes what would you do?
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Tell about clerc something is sketcy, sort it out is it a fluke or print error.

There is more to life then money. 👍
 
The Mind said:
I dont think we need punishments beyond an "investigation lock out" if MA reverts the loot "back into boxes" (unless active exploit is found).
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TBH the temp bans were more than i expected, revert gonna happen probably, but punishment, that would be too much.

I mean, its the same company that said this with the mining pet was used in an instance you cannot do mining:

is not possible to definitively conclude that use of the pet was in every case intended to exploit the buff to gain an advantage, MindArk has decided it would be unfair and impractical to punish participants who directly or indirectly benefited from the unintended buff, for example stripping prizes awarded in previous Mayhem events.
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Arthur The Hunter said:
Tell about clerc something is sketcy, sort it out is it a fluke or print error.

There is more to life then money. 👍
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But if u scratch 200 with no prize, it's just bad luck, again it was insane, but waves like this on other stuff happened before.
 
castanhas said:
But if u scratch 200 with no prize, it's just bad luck, again it was insane, but waves like this on other stuff happened before.
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Remember that guy who. Looted 4 summer 2020 on a few days, Damm that was pure luck 🍀🍀🍀
 
Arthur The Hunter said:
Even if somebody else do it.

Do you have to give up your dignity and honesty to do the same?
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I'm pointing the irony that some people have. All said, read my first post oh this thread again.
 
My|MindArk said:
You have already found out the following in this thread by others, but I just wanted to let you know that we are currently doing temporarily bans to some avatars due to a pending investigation regarding exploitation of Mining Strongboxes ❤️
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Nice to see something is done. The other issue is there should be a way to stop things like this earlier. I spoke with Live Chat around 11pm CET on Wednesday and all they could do is make internal note instead of disabling mining boxes.
 
I've opened tens of thousands of strongboxes with 1 measly Easter Ring dropping. While you are at it, can you please investigate that bug as well? I feel my loot being that terrible had to be some sort of glitch.
 
castanhas said:
Imagine buy a scratch for 3 dollars, and u get 20 dollars back, u proceed to buy the rest of the scratch pile and they all get prizes what would you do?
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You're smarter than this. Sadly we have another person in the record books who is okay with exploits, especially when it benefits them.
 
Angela Draniie Cloud said:
You're smarter than this. Sadly we have another person in the record books who is okay with exploits, especially when it benefits them.
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How is purchasing keys and opening a box an exploit?
 
Arthur The Hunter said:
Tell about clerc something is sketcy, sort it out is it a fluke or print error.

There is more to life then money. 👍
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And very huge legal ramifications. It's like the people who "Found that infinite money glitch with chase" These morons thought they were just going to keep the money they stole. Now they are being arrested and tried as felons.
 
Syntaxtc said:
How is purchasing keys and opening a box an exploit?
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Being purposefully obtuse is very telling of your character. There was more Ziplex opened looted in the last 20 hours than there was in the last 2 years if you ignore Legacy Box opening.

That's not strange to you at all? Okay buddy
 
Angela Draniie Cloud said:
Being purposefully obtuse is very telling of your character. There was more Ziplex opened looted in the last 20 hours than there was in the last 2 years if you ignore Legacy Box opening.

That's not strange to you at all? Okay buddy
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You just said it was an exploit.....it is far from an exploit.
 
Hego Damask said:
I mean, its the same company that said this with the mining pet was used in an instance you cannot do mining
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Ye... but where does this end? Each new exploit people try to remind about old exploits that didnt get punished...
Are we going to keep trying to justify each next one with the old ones?

Its fair to be negative when things stay like this.
But they successfuly broke that loop during RM gems exploit. And if they take proper actions now, maybe we can get to the point where people know that there will be no benefits from exploiting. Even regardless of punishments (which will stop a trend of using intended mechanics for illicit gains). Accs will be temp locked for investigation. Loot will be rolled back. To the point that... its aint worth it no matter what.
 
The Mind said:
Ye... but where does this end? Each new exploit people try to remind about old exploits that didnt get punished...
Are we going to keep trying to justify each next one with the old ones?

Its fair to be negative when things stay like this.
But they successfuly broke that loop during RM gems exploit. And if they take proper actions now, maybe we can get to the point where people know that there will be no benefits from exploiting. Even regardless of punishments (which will stop a trend of using intended mechanics for illicit gains). Accs will be temp locked for investigation. Loot will be rolled back. To the point that... its aint worth it no matter what.
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People will stop cheating once it costs them MORE than what they will make with said exploit.
 
So because of the simple fact that MA did nothing to ban the "OG bot" owner and his 1000 bots still going strong for a decade now and lowering all MU even with video proof + the past "happy hour" events setting a precedent I say F it and open some boxes (i think whether increased loot wave or a bug MA doesn't care regardless) ... I don't mind take it all back and give me my boxes and keys and but ban the dam mining bot guy and his army ruining whole economy/ player base... make it fair and get everything not just stop 1 thing especially when it hurts us all Including MA

So right b4 resource mayhem I opened 2000p MU worth of mining boxes got back almost 2k ped worth of MU but thanks to legacy boxes dropping a million finders destroying the price is now worth less than 800p for same stuff... do they get theirs taken away too since they were very common? Where is the line drawn in the sand so it's clear because right now real cheaters are fine taking money from us all thru lower MU (basically a tax) but ban people who got lucky off a MA mistake..how about fix all cheating and bugs and we can have a booming economy more players.. they lock out 1000 people but refuse to do it to 1 guy with 1000 accounts costing them and us far more money... incredible
 
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That's literally not true. Computers are quite a bit smarter than you think they are. Able to detect patterns or things as simple as "Has this user exploited something else in the past. If so, clearly they have not learned their lesson from past exploits and are a danger to the game.

We have chatlogs of even one of the people saying something along the lines of they don't care whether it is or isn't an exploit, they will continue to open boxes anyway.

"Offences requiring basic intent specify a mens rea element that is no more than the intentional or reckless commission of the actus reus. The actor either knew (intended) or deliberately closed his mind to the risk (recklessness) that his action (actus reus) would result in the harm suffered by the victim."

Those people CHOSEto either ignore or close their mind to the risk that this would cause.

ONCE AGAIN. 113 Ziplex opened in a whole year and 190 RECORDED opened in 20 hours.
 
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Hope to see real action being taken this time on the people blatantly exploiting what is obvious bugs. Everyone knew it and still continued. People who play by the rules are sick of the soft touch.
Don't play dumb you all knew exactly what was happening.

--Hit em hard I say, based on how severely the person took advantage of the error.
 
and just one more thing...was it also exploit when ppl sold their mining boxes for 100ped + per box? asking for a friend.sorry for bad english
 
My|MindArk said:
You have already found out the following in this thread by others, but I just wanted to let you know that we are currently doing temporarily bans to some avatars due to a pending investigation regarding exploitation of Mining Strongboxes ❤️
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My, just giving you an alert since I'm not sure it'll go through if I just edit my last post, but what I mentioned here would be a really good idea to address publicly for clarity. Just to reiterate too, I didn't pull from any boxes yesterday (but could have if I chose to), so I'm trying to approach this even-handedly.

Functionally, there doesn't appear to be a substantial difference between the mining strongbox issue and when redulite was ungated for about 24 hours in 2020. During that time, many miners were grabbing the biggest amps they could and were constantly globalling on redulite. I can't recall if MA did finally say if that was unintended or not, but no notice was given of that change in loot distribution, and it wasn't treated as an exploit after the fact either. That memory is still pretty fresh for many miners that set the expectation that quirks in the mining-related loot system will happen at times (we get sudden changes in mining loot as it is on top of what people describe as typical "waves"), especially when MA said the actions during that time were ok.

So when you come to this happening with mining strongboxes, it does not look substantially different than the redulite event. Like with redulite, there was no notice of a change in loot distribution and could come across as a redulite 2.0 until after the fact. Obviously MA can't give notification about a glitch they don't know about, but remember we don't get notifications as players about non-exploit changes in loot either. It does seem like if the same standard being applied now was applied to the redulite event, those accounts would have been banned for mining redulite during that time despite MA then saying it was ok. That's the expectation challenge MA has set up related to mining that you'd have to navigate here in your role.

Obviously someone at MA overfed the loot hamster that runs rare loot in these boxes, and those opening boxes probably should have been more cautious. However, the larger community issue outlined above that you may be able to address is that the mining community has gotten very conflicting guidance between these two occurrences, both after the fact. If a redulite 2.0 ever happens, can we only mine if it's announced it is not a glitch before-hand? Going forward, people are going to be constantly wondering if a significant change in loot is another redulite-like occurence that MA has said was ok or if it's going to be called an exploit after the fact. You can be cautious and assume most occurences are unintended as a player, but the redulite event really throws a wrench in that, especially in terms of fear of missing out on a legitimate event.

That's where it would be helpful for you/MA to address how those two similar events were handled. If there's been change in how the redulite event would have been handled today instead, then it would be good to set clear expectations going forward acknowledging that.
 
Absolutley mind blown😱🤯
 
kingofaces said:
My, just giving you an alert since I'm not sure it'll go through if I just edit my last post, but what I mentioned here would be a really good idea to address publicly for clarity. Just to reiterate too, I didn't pull from any boxes yesterday (but could have if I chose to), so I'm trying to approach this even-handedly.

Functionally, there doesn't appear to be a substantial difference between the mining strongbox issue and when redulite was ungated for about 24 hours in 2020. During that time, many miners were grabbing the biggest amps they could and were constantly globalling on redulite. I can't recall if MA did finally say if that was unintended or not, but no notice was given of that change in loot distribution, and it wasn't treated as an exploit after the fact either. That memory is still pretty fresh for many miners that set the expectation that quirks in the mining-related loot system will happen at times (we get sudden changes in mining loot as it is on top of what people describe as typical "waves"), especially when MA said the actions during that time were ok.

So when you come to this happening with mining strongboxes, it does not look substantially different than the redulite event. Like with redulite, there was no notice of a change in loot distribution and could come across as a redulite 2.0 until after the fact. Obviously MA can't give notification about a glitch they don't know about, but remember we don't get notifications as players about non-exploit changes in loot either. It does seem like if the same standard being applied now was applied to the redulite event, those accounts would have been banned for mining redulite during that time despite MA then saying it was ok. That's the expectation challenge MA has set up related to mining that you'd have to navigate here in your role.

Obviously someone at MA overfed the loot hamster that runs rare loot in these boxes, and those opening boxes probably should have been more cautious. However, the larger community issue outlined above that you may be able to address is that the mining community has gotten very conflicting guidance between these two occurrences, both after the fact. If a redulite 2.0 ever happens, can we only mine if it's announced it is not a glitch before-hand? Going forward, people are going to be constantly wondering if a significant change in loot is another redulite-like occurence that MA has said was ok or if it's going to be called an exploit after the fact. You can be cautious and assume most occurences are unintended as a player, but the redulite event really throws a wrench in that, especially in terms of fear of missing out on a legitimate event.

That's where it would be helpful for you/MA to address how those two similar events were handled. If there's been change in how the redulite event would have been handled today instead, then it would be good to set clear expectations going forward acknowledging that.
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This would be indeed nice!

Hope MA start to draw visible lines or state that past happend events are no bueno these days.

👍👍👍
 
castanhas said:
But if u scratch 200 with no prize, it's just bad luck, again it was insane, but waves like this on other stuff happened before.
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right. the counterpoint here is that if these bugs can happen to the upside....how many times have they happened to the downside, and we just assume (or are told) well, bad luck, right

i didn't open one of these boxes (i usually sell them)

but i think MA needs to get consistent on this and stay that way. if they are turning over a new leaf here then good. i hope to see it enforced regularly.
 
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