Is healers realy wants to help ?

[Amir]

I just made this post just to wonder why all people thinks healers is helping them THATS WRONG ( didn't apply for all healers )

and before u all said angry words to me lets see why I said so

how is that helpful to sweater to get healed at revival terminal ?

don't tell me it gives more chances for him to still alive for longer sweating cause that is wrong as if they were sweating ambu as example it doesn't matter if they have full health or low helth as they will die as soon as they recieve 1 or 2 hits


try to answer this question and u will know that not all healers outta there is doing that for help , they doing this to get skills and nothing wrong with that but most of healers don't give a shit to sweaters at all

if they realy wants to help then they better go to the groub of players sweating in middle of many mobs and stands beneath the mobs there so they can heal sweater as they get hits

this way both will be happy -sweaters and healers- both will get what they looks for and only then those healers is helping u and not making u thier source of skilling and upon that they recieves many applause that they didn't deserve

ofcourse everyone is free to do what he wants but I just want to explain the diffrence between those that realy helps and those that pretending to

whats realy wiered is that seeing noobs waiting to be healed in front of healer and they waste time then they say thx to the healer and I don't know why they said that (healers not helping unless they heal u at the moment u get hit not when u die) then they run to the nearest mob wishing to get some sweat and too bad that mob was so angry so he didn't want to give sweat and keep hitting him without giving him the chance to make a single try (as he has no focus charges) so he died again in a secounds back to the revive and get healed there and sayes thanks again !!!!!!

how u see that ?? is that helps the noob sweating or what ???

lets say that in another way

there is a hunter that trying to kill atrox old alpha
he spent like 500 ammo to kill it and he keep healing himself trying not to die to not loose all that ammo for nothing
spent another 500 ammo in it and it is about to die
too bad the mob crited him and he dies
now he revived to an outpost far away from it and there was a guy there healed him
tell me now how that healing helped him ????
but if that healer was with him then he wouldn't be die and he may not lost this mob and may be a global too

I think I make it clear enough now and please let me hear your openions

 

[lululu]

mf healers buy the sweat u get weather its from u personnally or through some1 else

also they dont get skills every heal they do so most of the time its expensive they do it to HELP and sometimes to socialise and make freinds

and they dont have to be there healing u so if u get healed u should be greatfull i know healers appreaciate it when ppl say ty its not much but it shows they are greatful

i have spent a few hours healing there going through a few L faps which is not much compared to some of the ppl that are always there but its nt cheap skilling there

 

[Bernz]

Healing a Newb at revival help a lot if you see it like that.....

The Newb don't have to wait minutes to gain back his HP.
No need to wait = more Sweats / hour.

Try to sweat at Swamp Camp with support healers and calculate the Sweat / Hour, and go in the wild where you are alone to compare the result.

After this test, come back and tell again it do not help.

 

[Quint]

I don't care why they heal me, I'm glad every time someone heals me.

Of course they do it for the skills (well, most of them, there are some who do it just to help), but why does that bother you ? They stand next to a revive point to get as much "to-be-healed" candidates as possible.

 

[Solaris]

Amir - I really dont see what you are saying.

You dont want healers to heal sweaters??
Why? Because they also have a personal gain by doing this?

So healers should stop, or sweaters should not be thankful, or we should dislike healers more.. or what exactly is you point??

I believe you have a somewhat narrow sight here - please try to widen up.

Have you ever tried to heal ppl yourself? Are you aware of the expense doing this? I can assure you 100% that the skills gained are NOT worth the money and time you invest.

So there has to be something else...
You might not be able to imagine this, but dont you wonder what this 'else' might be??

 

[Droops]

Why do i Heal (Mostly at Swamp Camp) well not at all for the skill gains although they are welcome

I go to Swampo to do some heals cause i :

Want a break from hunting.
Be able to chat to friends and soc members. (This is not that easy while hunting )
Do some recruiting in the meanwhile.
Meet friends and soc. members


And last but not least Enjoying myself with all the conversations going on

 

[aia]

how is that helpful to sweater to get healed at revival terminal ?

don't tell me it gives more chances for him to still alive for longer sweating cause that is wrong as if they were sweating ambu as example it doesn't matter if they have full health or low helth as they will die as soon as they recieve 1 or 2 hits

For the person who sweats, he have a little bit more chance. If he just ran from revival, even a 20 dmg hit will kill him, but if he is at full health, let's say 90, he might get a 40 dmg hit, survive, get a 45 dmg hit, and then the mob might go for someone else for a while.

try to answer this question and u will know that not all healers outta there is doing that for help , they doing this to get skills and nothing wrong with that but most of healers don't give a shit to sweaters at all

if they realy wants to help then they better go to the groub of players sweating in middle of many mobs and stands beneath the mobs there so they can heal sweater as they get hits

First, it's a give and take. From the healers point of view, this kind of skilling isn't free. The healer pays decay, and if he's using mindforce, he also consumes mind essance. From the sweaters (and the hunter that revives) this is a free service. Some people find it useful, while others don't need it; however in either case getting more health isn't bad (though in some cases it can be considered a waste).

Secondly: The skilling is often used using FAPs and mindforce chips that don't heal in the same pace that an angry mob can hurt. Just to mention an example, for the people who skill medial skill, you get more skills during the learning period - however, during the learning period, the FAP is usually too slow to be used in "combat".

this way both will be happy -sweaters and healers- both will get what they looks for and only then those healers is helping u and not making u thier source of skilling and upon that they recieves many applause that they didn't deserve

They don't expect applause. However, if some people wants to thank because *they* find the "service" useful, it's up to them. If you don't find the service useful, feel free to ignore it.

ofcourse everyone is free to do what he wants but I just want to explain the diffrence between those that realy helps and those that pretending to

whats realy wiered is that seeing noobs waiting to be healed in front of healer and they waste time then they say thx to the healer and I don't know why they said that (healers not helping unless they heal u at the moment u get hit not when u die) then they run to the nearest mob wishing to get some sweat and too bad that mob was so angry so he didn't want to give sweat and keep hitting him without giving him the chance to make a single try (as he has no focus charges) so he died again in a secounds back to the revive and get healed there and sayes thanks again !!!!!!

how u see that ?? is that helps the noob sweating or what ???

I guess you're thinking too much about ambu sweating. To be honest, it's not normal. Also, the way team sweating works, 10-20 people move around to sweat mobs, and it can be hard and time consuming to keep up with everyone who get hit, or even run away to a second mob to sweat more or less alone.

There is another way to sweat. On more beginner friendly places, like the sweat camp, the mobs do say 10-20 dmg hits, which means that a fully healed sweater, often with focus, can get quite a few hits before he gets killed. Also, typically at sweat camp, when someone gets low health, he usually runs away, often towards the turret (to get rid of stalking animals), and with some luck he can get healed and run out again and continue sweat some other mob.

If you decide that, instead of sweating a little mob you can survive a lot of hits from but you also get small amount of sweat from you go for bigger mobs, you take the risk of getting killed.

lets say that in another way

there is a hunter that trying to kill atrox old alpha
he spent like 500 ammo to kill it and he keep healing himself trying not to die to not loose all that ammo for nothing
spent another 500 ammo in it and it is about to die
too bad the mob crited him and he dies
now he revived to an outpost far away from it and there was a guy there healed him
tell me now how that healing helped him ????

Easy: If the hunter gets healed at revival, he can immediately "charge" his teleport chip instead of using his own FAP, which means that he can be back to his 'trox faster. Most medium-level players do have teleport chips, and it's generally recommended to have one, to avoid getting stuck in a nasty location.

but if that healer was with him then he wouldn't be die and he may not lost this mob and may be a global too

You can hire a personal "fapper". It usually works that way, you have someone who heals you, and you pay the fapper for the decay. He get skills, and you can hunt, or sweat for that matter, more efficiently. You will agree with the fapper which FAP is the best, and for let's say ambus, it might mean that he will need to use a more expensive-to-use FAP to keep you alive, but it is your choice since you pay the decay.

Usually, it's hunters who hire a fapper, and for hunters it's a good idea for mobs that hit most of the time, because he will get more time to shoot, and that way less armor decay. However, if you sweat to earn PED rather than to gain evade skills skills yourself, using a personal fapper can be rather expensive. Especially if you don't wear armor. (I better be clear about this: It's obvious that sweating without armor, "naked", is the most economical way to sweat.)

As a sweater, you also have the option of using your own FAP of course. If you get hit, you stop sweating and heal yourself as much as you need/want. This way *you* get the skills instead of the healer/fapper, however you pay the full cost yourself, of course.

I think I make it clear enough now and please let me hear your openions

I can add, that sometimes when I heal, I *do* get out and heal sweaters out in the field. But it's a choice I make - if a healer goes out on the field, there will be other people, for instance those who die from a big crit, who won't get any help at all.

 

[Amir]

as I expected some ppl didn't got what I mean

lululu : I'm talking about healers that realy heal for help and those that don't
and whatever it is cool to see lot of ppl healing sweaters at any place no matter why they do this
but I'm talking here if that healing is realy helps or what

Bernz : does it matter if u have full health or low health when sweating ambu in example ??
ofcourse not as u will die in 2-3 hits max and if it is on u then u will never have a chance to get a single bottle

ah and about time : how much time they loose when they die with this new timer revive system ?

sweating at camp or alone is the same as there is no one to heal u while in action no difference in my openion

and btw I have more than 1k in sweat gatherer skill so I must tried everthing in sweating

Quint : nothing bothers me , I'm trying to say the difference between helping and not helping

Solaris : ofcourse not , healing sweaters (or whatever) is good , why I should hate that

I feel like u all guys didn't read what I wrote

I wrote this to say to healers if u realy wants to help then better to heal while in action not at revival
and say that for only healers that realy wants to help -as everyone have the rights to do what he like-

I know all the expences there and I know that it costs alot of money and thats make me try to put this expences in right place not wasting it like that

let me give another example
like ppl who gives focus
they give u like 30 focus charges and u go to ambu get hit for 3 times and u r dead and lost all those focus
but if there is a healer there it would help healing u and not dieng untill ambu got another agro so u heal naturally while u sweating and the healer help the one that get agro till it get back to u
like this then those focus charges isn't wasted

 

[levithanikos]

I'll be fast Amir ... :

Fap or healing Chip Healers are PAYING decays to heal your and another 200 ppl asses .

No matter what you think , THEY pay and replenish your HP bar.

Say "THANKS" and get your ungrateful ass back to whatever you've been doing ...

PS- As for the AOA killing ... PPL who hunt those mobs ... have enough ME to return fast with their TP chips ... and healers HELP em by saving them the healing time.

-rep , Stop whining for things that have been given to you for free FFS!

 

[Amir]

Easy: If the hunter gets healed at revival, he can immediately "charge" his teleport chip instead of using his own FAP, which means that he can be back to his 'trox faster. Most medium-level players do have teleport chips, and it's generally recommended to have one, to avoid getting stuck in a nasty location.

do u think the loot u get from it will be the same when u die and get back to it ? I think most of this situation is no loot

second I said outpost far away , that mean u may need 2 jumbs or more , u may end up in midle of huge spawn in first jumb and die again

+ rep for your nice answer
pls pm me on how to use multi quote I want to discuss another points with u here and I don't know how

 

[levithanikos]

do u think the loot u get from it will be the same when u die and get back to it ? I think most of this situation is no loot

second I said outpost far away , that mean u may need 2 jumbs or more , u may end up in midle of huge spawn in first jumb and die again

+ rep for your nice answer
pls pm me on how to use multi quote I want to discuss another points with u here and I don't know how

There are 3 buttons under Every post here :

Add rep - "Quote" - +"

Step 1)

Press +" button to add a post in Multiquote ( it becomes red)

Step 2 )

Press "post reply" and you'll have the quotes you picked up and ready to edit.

Demonikos

 

[Echo Biatch]

How about you go out and buy yourself an implant and a heal chip and load up on ME and try and heal yourself.....

Since you will soon lose faith in how ineffective you are because of your low hp and low skills I will give you an insight from a REGULAR healer at Nea's.

I use a Bd implant in my head of about 134ped tt or there abouts.
I use a lvl6 potent heal chip with a tt of about 59ped. 44HEAL
I load up with about 3k ME tol last me for about an hr of healing.
I have a lvl 4 focus chip.

I go to Nea's and stand at the revive for the first few minutes so that I can gather a few of the health bars of the sweaters so that I can see who is being hit and needs to be healed when I go out to the front line and heal while you the sweaters are hard at it.

for every heal I give to a sweater I spend about 10 pec....in ME and decay
If I get hit I need to heal myself and as you all know ambu hit hard unarmoured.

If you are low skilled and are trying to heal then you stand at the reviveal because it is a lot easier than dying yourself and running back out because you are a two hit kill.

Second perhaps you should try dragging the HP bars on a large group of sweaters and see how much of your screen is left for you to see through.
And if you are only filling in time between hunts you are not going to want to drag all those bars for a 10 min healing session.

Perhaps you should put yourself in their shoes for a short time before complaining about the FREE service they are giving you which is costing them so dearly.

I have stayed for stretches of 8hrs or more in a day to gain skill and spent 100's of ped and I dont ask anything in return from the sweaters.
I buy my sweat at above market from the same sweaters that I am paying out these ped to heal.

OF COURSE I AM DOING IT FOR THE SKILL......But I do enjoy going out and helping new players to get a foot in the door of this universe that I love.

I enjoy the cheerful welcome I get from the sweaters who know me and I enjoy the feeling of knowing that my skilling is not wasted it is helping someone else. I often answer questions and give the new players the benefit of my ingame experience.

I could hire out my services as a mindforce healer and have my expenses paid for by a hunter rather than just spend my hard earned ped helping.

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD THINK OF THESE THINGS A LITTLE HARDER BEFORE YOU BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU NEXT TIME!!!

Echo

 

[DocKangey]

Amir, do you really think any healer spends hours of time at swamp camp or Nea's just to skill up? Show me one healer who does that just for skilling and not for the people there as well.

If I want just skilling in paramedic or biotropy, I stand naked in the middle of a bunch of mobs attacking me, healing myself and getting evade or dodge plus other skills when I take out one or two mobs to keep the balance between the hits and my current healing tool. THAT is healing for skills. Or I offer my services for hire to hunters, heal for decay.

I challenge you to spend 2 hours a day healing at camp for a month and then discuss that same topic again.

 

[onyx oZ Zombie]

don't tell me it gives more chances for him to still alive for longer sweating cause that is wrong as if they were sweating ambu as example it doesn't matter if they have full health

if they realy wants to help then they better go to the groub of players sweating in middle of many mobs and stands beneath the mobs there so they can heal sweater as they get hits

if it doesn't matter that they have full health (quote #1), it also won't matter if they're being healed in the field (quote #2) ...

if healing in the field CAN help (quote #2), then healing at the revive (quote #1) will help also

kinda contradicted yourself there, congrats

 

[aia]

do u think the loot u get from it will be the same when u die and get back to it ? I think most of this situation is no loot

If I get a crit hit from an AoA, I die, simply because a 169 dmg hit (or what it can be) is well above my HP. No fapper can help me.

On the other hand, if I want to hunt mobs that hit often efficiently, Hogglos are a typical example, I ask for a dedicated "fapper", and I pay the decay on the FAP he uses, and then he follows me around and heal me when I get hit.

(It's a different thing than healing sweaters for free, and also another thing than when you heal someone you meet out hunting if he's got a bad mob on him.)

second I said outpost far away , that mean u may need 2 jumbs or more , u may end up in midle of huge spawn in first jumb and die again

If I TP, and I middle-land in a swarm of mobs, there is also the risk the fapper dies

+ rep for your nice answer
pls pm me on how to use multi quote I want to discuss another points with u here and I don't know how

I do it manually by cut-and-paste in the text I copy the "QUOTE=..." and "/QUOTE" tags as needed.

 

[Johned]

Amir,

I think you do have a bit of misconception about most healers. In my 2.5 years of experience on Calypso I have seen many healers, many new players non depositers and depositers alike.

Perhaps I take this post a bit personal with it being posted on the day following what I felt was a large achievement in unlocking Power Catalyst.

There are so many points to address and I will attempt to address them all. I am not sending a - rep and I am trying my hardest to respond in a respectful manner to your post. I am not sure who you may be referring to in your post - but I took it more personal than perhaps I should.

Of course we are getting skills, just about every activity in EU other than sitting on the ground or chatting gains skills. That is part of the core functionality EU.

You state that we are not helping sweaters? You state this quite clearly in large bold letters.

Perform a little test - die and time how long it takes you to get enough health back to perform at least one successful sweat draw. The healers are saving you that healing time. Time equals money in the working world, and unless you are sweating for the fun of it and NOT trying to make a few pec then ask the healers to not heal you. Sit on the ground and wait to heal enough to go and grab your sweat. I think you will find that your sweat production in a typical hour will go down dramatically.

If fact there are a lot of project threads on EF. I would like to see you start one - spend one week sweating without getting healed, and record your results. Spend the same amount of time for another week, but getting healed and record those results.

Once you complete this project post how the healers are not helping the sweaters.

On to the next point you make. Please tell me how you know that any of these healers do not do as you speak. You may not realize how long this takes, but I have spent a lot of time over the last 2.5 years skilling mindforce. I healed new players at camp pheonix and when that was nerfed I followed when sweaters moved to fort troy and atlas island. I have healed at Nea's and many other locations. I have healed out in the feilds, I would spend hours running around the outskirts of PA healing sweating OJ's before swamp camp even existed. I have stood out in the middle of combibo island for hours healing players. I have been out in the field as you suggest that none of us do. In fact most healers I know will tell you almost the same story as I just wrote down. They are not as SHALLOW as you seem to think we all are. It was in CP that I met Coop when she was a NOOB just starting to sweat. The Coop who is the only known person to graduate from sweating skills. That was a long time ago I met her!

I have healed in the middle of mobs, it helps a SMALL number of sweaters, the three to five that are concentrated on the one group of mobs. All of the others that are sweating in their small groups are not helped at all and tend to just hang around the revive and slow healing unless other healers are around. I don't get to enjoy the conversation I get when in a larger group area, and frankly it is a lot more boring. I should point out that I do this for my enjoyment also and I like being in the larger groups for my enjoyment. Perhaps that is selfish of me to want to enjoy what I do and not be bored, but that is for you to judge I suppose.

Wasting time thanking the healer? OMG - I do not expect to hear a thank you ever time, but I certainly do appreciate it. You again bring up the point here that healers are not helping because you have already died. Please test that out when you do the test above to prove how useless the healing at revive is to a person trying to make a profit from sweating.

You seem to indicate that people that focus are somehow better than those that heal? Most of use do both, in fact I took time to focus some people when I was skilling my biotropy when asked to do so. The only time I stopped was when I was in danger of running out of ME and could not afford to use any to provide focus chips. I knew the people that always asked for focus (politely - they said please and thank you which was much appreciated by me) and as soon as I saw them die I would heal and focus them.

I also believe that your theory that a sweater that is freshly healed will die before they gain any sweat because they have not been focus charged. Perhaps you can do a project to test this one out also when you are done with the first. How much sweat you gain in one week when you are neither healed for focus charged upon death, how much you get when you are focus charged and not healed upon death, and how much you get when you are both healed and focus charged. It would be interesting to see your results, you seem to have already tested this out based upon the statements you make.

Your statement about the atrox old alpha makes no sense at all? I have hunted them and I have been critted. If I was healed at the revive (which has happened) I would say thanks and be off to finish it off. Usually though I have my fap, which is faster than mind force, and am fapping in the revive process. By the time the white screen gone I am at least 2/3 healed and am charging my tp chip. As soon as I take the jump I switch back to my fap and finish fapping and am fully healed by the time the white screen goes away. I certainly don't need a dedicated fapper for a little ofd atrox OA, but if I did then I would probably PAY one to come along.

I have spent hours healing akbar while he did all of his experiments in pulling sweat from every sweatable mobs. You can read about that here on this forum and see pictures of me healing him in those tests. The skilling was slow, but the results being posted to the community was what we were after. Not just the skills.

Do you realize that I could skill just as efficiently, in fact I would hazard to guess maybe even more efficienty by finding me an argo, armax, or a small herd of small animals and giveing myself focus and heals. It would be faster to skill because there would be no lulls, there would be no newbies asking me questions, trying to private trade, trying to private chat and ask a few hundred questions. I like to answer the questions, I even will buy their sweat on occasion for 1 pec per. When I pay that for sweat I do that to help the new players - I gain no skill for it and I certainly can get it a LOT cheaper.

I have given away armor parts there, weapons, and dropped things for players to find. I think you will find most healers at places like swamp camp are very generous in their interactions with new players. Most could skill much more efficiently on their own. There were a few times when I was on this last skill cycle that I contemplated going off by myself to skill but stayed because the INSANE amount of peds I was spending was able to benefit others.

Now for the healing. My potent chip uses 3 ME per heal, I heal a max 44 HP 99% of the time. A new player requires 2 heals to be fully healed or close to fully healed when dead. I manage to buy ME from people that are buying sweat from the players at swamp camp - not resellers - for 200% which is a very good deal. 1 ME is made from 1 Force Nexus and 1 sweat. This means to heal one player with two uses of my potent chip costs me 6 ME ( 6 sweat and 6 FN) which at 200% is 12 pecs! Bring taht into each heal costs me about 24 bottles of sweat in value in ME. The decay on my chip and on my implant is close to anohter 6 pec in repairs. I spend on average 18 pec on each person I heal with two heals.

I do feel that this is benefiting the sweaters, if not I would be off in the middle of nowhere self healing.

On Sunday I arrived with 1984 skill points in biotropy which represented hundreds and hundreds of hours of skilling. I unlocked PC at 2037 skill points in biotropy. In order to gain those 53 skill points I used over 11K in ME, lets round it to 11K or 220 ped in ME and 3 full repairs of my heal chip and implant at over 75 ped each repair for 225 ped in repairs. 445 ped in costs to me for healing the sweaters at swamp camp just on sunday. You figure the costs for the other 1984 skill points I gained healing before this.

Hell Yes I like to hear a thank you once in a while, I am spending money to heal these people, and I could just as easy go somewhere else to gain the same skills and not help them.

You need to follow us around in our daily EU lifes and see who and what we are instead of labeling us as healers - selfish people who are not helping anyone, just making them think we are - and even expecting them to say thank you once in a while.

I promised myself I would not get angry on this post and that is starting to happen so I sign off for now.

I look foward to seeing your projects and maybe one day you will buy and implant and a heal chip writing up a report of the correct way to do it instead of the way all we selfish bad healers do!

Zar

 

[Vix]

Amir, where do u get off?
If someone wants to help for free when skilling aswell whats wrong with that? i used to do alot of healing at neas and people want to be healed!!! so i think u need to go stick ur head up a donkeys ass and stay there cos what u say is a load of bull. When i did healing it cost me 100 peds some days with decay for a couple of hours and i always got my sweat from the sweaters i healed. So if that aint helping i dunno what is.

 

[GoNi]

Healing at Nea´s surely helps the sweaters.

A Ambu needs at least 4 hits to kill me (without crits).
If I am healed I can stand a while and very often I don´t receive more than one hit and the ambu runs over to someone else. So I regain health while I am not beeing attacked.

When I die and revive I have about 10-20 Helath, thats one hit by an Ambu, if I am heald I stay alive longer and that helps geting more sweat.

If you can´t survive 1-2 Hits from an Ambu when full health, you are sweating at the wrong place, but thats not the healers fault, its your own fault !!!

Why don´t healers want to stand between the ambus and heal there?
Because they will be attacked, too. That means their concentration phase will be interrupet, that cost time and slows down the skilling speed.

I am very grateful to healers that heal for free, without any reward than skill.
BTW sometimes I hire healers that FAP me on a hunt vs big mobs. I have to pay this FAPers, but I never had to pay a healer at a sweating place.
Be glad that there are healers that offer a free service!

Regards
GoNi

 

[Parlog]

I agree Amir, at least with your content

I skill faping at Neas now and then and i do it as an "action-healer" near the mob, even though its way more stressy, but i know its way more helping too. I learned that back in my sweating days.

A Faper who is right in the action raises the success of sweating for a whole group significantly. I heard it often there, that sweaters say after 1 hour of sweating when i faped them along, that this was the most profitable hour of sweating they ever had and back in days of RatR33 i experienced that myself.

RatR33 was a "player" healing Nea-Sweaters about 1 year ago, she never talked, wore Supremacy parts and some nice mob-scythes of all kinds, she used to kill the dry Ambus. Then suddenly she vanished and it now seems to me that the rumors were true, that she actually was a bot, a very well proged, very helpful one hehe
No idea if this is true, but with her faping us along, 1k sweat per hour was easily possible, while the average "die-sweating" rarely brings more than 600 sweat per hour.

So +REP for someone who really knows what he talks about

 

[Chopper]

[br]Click to enlarge[/br]

Amir, here is a picture of a Cod having its teeth cleaned by a Cleaner Fish.

Is either of them being exploited?

 

[dandy]

many ways to skin a cat

I did both ways

 

[GoNi]

RatR33 was a "player" healing Nea-Sweaters about 1 year ago, she never talked, wore Supremacy parts and some nice mob-scythes of all kinds, she used to kill the dry Ambus.

RatR33 surely wasn´t a bot !!!!

A nice person, not only healing the sweaters.
RatR33 also tagged the Ambus, and as soon this beasts wanted to attack someone else than RatR33 he retagged the mob.
It was very comfortable service, but now that Ambus have increased healing rate. It doesn´t make sense to tagg an ambu shooting untill near death and then wait untill its dry. It will regain full health in that time, what surely is a big waste of money. So people like RatR33 and Harald stopped using this tactics to skill eavade and fapping

Maybe he does his healing and evade skilling somewhere else where not that much sweaters are around.

 

[McCormick]

Amir,

I also used to heal at revival and "in the field".

But standing "in the field", using a healchip only, is hard. Especially if you get hit yourself. If you get hit, you would need focus too. And if you got hit twice, you usually heal yourself back to 100% first. Meanwhile 2 others get hit that want to be healed as well.
Buy some chips for yourself, to see what I am talking about.

Im happy about all the "Thank you for healing" phrases thrown at me at the revival.

Your 1st post was written like "Do anything to make me survive, waste lots of peds, so I can get 10 sweat". Think about that.

Your AOA example is out of line. Most of such hunters would be thankfull for beeing helped too, while he is preparing his TP chip. (But he can fap to full health anyway when teleporting started) I dont get why you dont get it. Of course it helps.

 

[Simon God]

This is just the worst post I've read in a long time.

Say person A donates 1 million USD for cancer studies because he feel it's the right thing to do...

Say person B donates 1 million USD for cancer studies so he can deduct it from his taxes...

Does this make person A better? Possibly. But it's still a good thing to do, regardless of why anyone is doing it.

Someone takes time out of their life to heal you and others, why does it matter _WHY_ they heal you?

~Simon

 

[Amir]

again I feel like most of u didn't got my point and keep attacking me and that cause of missunderstand me

most of talking to me and advising me to thank those healers
no I'm not talking about myself here I'm talking about other players
ofcourse when some one heals me I'll thank him and will be greatful to him
but I'm not talking about my self again I'm talking about others that doesn't mean I ask others to not be thankfull for players that heals them I only try to clarify the differnce between what sweaters realy need to get most of sweat

some ppl too said angry words to me and I guess they didn't read it all well and ignored some of my comments in main post so I'm gonna repeat those words again to them to let them see they were wrong about making me looks like I'm a very bad guy

​

I just made this post just to wonder why all people thinks healers is helping them THATS WRONG ( didn't apply for all healers )

most of healers here r angry from me see previous quote from my oringinal post
see that word ( didn't apply for all healers )​

will know that not all healers outta there is doing that for help

see the word not all healers I'm not making it general as healers do wonderful job​

they doing this to get skills and nothing wrong with that

see that I said nothing wrong with that​

ofcourse everyone is free to do what he wants but I just want to explain the diffrence between those that realy helps and those that pretending to

 

[Amir]

How about you go out and buy yourself an implant and a heal chip and load up on ME and try and heal yourself.....

Since you will soon lose faith in how ineffective you are because of your low hp and low skills

why u telling me that ? how u know I'm not already have those items ?
I'm not talking about myself I'm talking in general
beside I'm not low in hp nor skills , my skills is very cool to me and I'm proud of having them while I never deposited I can upload all my globals screnie in game to u to let u know how is my skills helping me without a single deposite


after that u keep telling about the expences
I know all of that and it is very cool to see ppl spend all this money in helping another players , they doing wonderful job , but I'm not talking about this I'm talking about how sweaters can benefit from this

Perhaps you should put yourself in their shoes for a short time before complaining about the FREE service they are giving you which is costing them so dearly.

I don't need to make this as I'm doing brttey well sweating alone without any healers
and if I die I don't set on ground waiting to regenrate health I go instantly to gather more sweat and I have my techniques in sweating that I could share here if anyone asks if I have time
and if someone heals me I will be greatfull to him for sure

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD THINK OF THESE THINGS A LITTLE HARDER BEFORE YOU BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU NEXT TIME!!!

no one feeds me in the game I can survive without kissing anyone hands , I can heal my self with my tools
but I'm not talking about myself again I'm talking generally


the only one that got my point is Parlog thanks for your replay here

 

[Poisonhearts]

no one feeds me in the game I can survive without kissing anyone hands , I can heal my self with my tools
but I'm not talking about myself again I'm talking generally

Actually the healers are the ones that are feeding you, they need ME, sweat is needed in the refining of ME, the healers are the ones buying your sweat.

 

[Redster]

After reading all this, I guess your point is. Why do healers heal at the revival instead of out in the field with the sweaters ?

My answer would be economics. It is cheaper for me to heal at revival and I can also heal a lot more sweaters there.

I have tried both methods and while it may be better for a small group of sweaters if we heal you in the field, the majority of the sweaters are now waiting for heals or running out to sweat more without being healed. On most days there are just 1 or 2 healers in a location while there may be several groups of sweaters working on different mob (ambu in this example). We can not be everywhere so which group do we heal ? I try very hard not to show favoritism when I am healing. I use the health bar on screen method and at times have had over 75 health bars up there, I cant see enough to even aim my gun to defend myself I watch the health bars and when a person dies,, can start healing while they are in the process of reviving. This saves time, gets them back out sweating faster and allows me to heal more people. I have skilled naturally twice to lvl 19 . RL forced me to chip out and I chose the bio skill because it is the most enjoyable to skill for me. I like the conversation and at time the challenge of getting everyone back out as quick as I can. I have also on several occasions, dropped weapons and ammo for anyone to pick up. An extra gift just to help out new players.

Your post reminds me of an incident at Nea's last year. I had just hit lvl 15 again so I dropped a bunch of guns and ammo, about 100 ped worth. I announced to everyone and there was a free for all. Then I started to catch hell. Several players started harassing me because they didnt find anything and that I needed to give them a gun and ammo.

As previously stated, there are better more efficient ways to skill healing. We do what we do and where we do it because we want to help in the best way we can while we get skills.

I would now like to say thank you to all healers out there that heal sweaters, thank you for helping them. To all healers who have said thank you to me , I say thank you for the skills

 

[Parlog]

Amir, why do you make such a war out of it? I bet they got your point.

Revival healing is a more conservative ( sorry for the paradoxon, of cause action-healing is the more conservative, but here i mean old-fashioned) way of healing and in regard of the days when Troy or PA were the sweaters paradises, it really made more sense, because there, sweaters were spread over a vast area and didnt sweat in a close cluster like at NEAs. Additionally the mindforce healers and focus-givers really got a point in it, cause they need to stand still to not loose focus.

Just be grateful for what you can get, driving healers away with a discussion like this doesnt help anybody!

Greetings to RatR33 we still remember you

Regards Par

 

[NastyCenturion]

Apart of your ideas of why ppl heal u at revival ...


Think that 50% of the sweat u gather is used by those healers now if they stop healing think that the sweat price will drop by half so that would be 0.27 pecs / bottle.
Now think a bit maybe the reason u sell the sweat at 0.54 it is because they heal u ... "Do they help u or not?"

So u want more then just full health u want the healers to take the hits from the mob also. Now why do those mobs attack ? because u start sweating them ... so u want another person to take the mob hits so u can sweat him ?
this is the most selfish request i've ever seen