If EU had been as you suggest when I started, I would never have made an account. Instead I am still here over 5 years later.
That woudlnt fit in for uses like the thing and so on, which is genuinely free to play, as everything is provided for to play episode 1
Changing how it works like that would limit the possiblitys for the platforms uses.
Regarding Entropia being free to play, I though about another suggestion. How about this;
You can dl for free and create an account. If you dont deposit after 30 days your character will be deleted. Amount to deposit is 100 ped. This will continue for 12 months. After that you wont have to deposit anymore and your character is what we have today. All players currently registered would count past the 12 months.
In many ways I thought this would be good. What do you think?
This is a cheap shot and you know it. None of the guys/girls who quit due to the F2P model are here to say otherwise.
Why the hell would someone stay if they had to pay but quit because they didn't? Your idea just doesn't make any sense.
Thanks for the compliment
Most people who dont like the game quits in less then 10 hours according to the reviews from gamesites.
The model worked for me and you true. Also quite the difference starting 5 years ago or today neh?
Yes...
Back then it was hardcore. You log in, and you're on your own. Period. Hope you run into some decent folks, or find these forums.
Now there are tutorials, lessons, missions... it's much easier now to start out than it was in 2005 when I started.
Nobody play for free here.
Bills need to be paid.
So some ppl play on expenses of depositing participants and call that playing for free.
Just remember... 83% of statistcs on the internet are made up.
Consider that only an extreme minority of gamers (based on account subscription levels vs. active members on message boards) actually post on forums.
When you consider that tracker generally has in the vicinity of 5000 distinct avatars globalling in a month, and the fact that this forum has had 1313 users online at one time (18/08/09 18:27), I would say 'extreme minority' is at the very least an extreme exaggeration.
Yep, just like your 'extreme minority' line here:
When you consider that tracker generally has in the vicinity of 5000 distinct avatars globalling in a month, and the fact that this forum has had 1313 users online at one time (18/08/09 18:27), I would say 'extreme minority' is at the very least an extreme exaggeration.
Last time I checked, the phrase "Extreme minority" wasn't a statistic. It is a generalization.
I also don't recall having specified Entropia specifically.
According to you, the tracker shows "in the vicinity of 5000" avatars global a month (I'll assume that's true). So, that means what exactly? The number of avatars that global is what percentage of active avatars in a given time period? Without that, any comparison is pretty worthless IMHO, unless you're saying only those that global matter.
I'm actually laughing at the fact that you decided to pull the user count from PCF the day V10 was being implemented so people were trying to find out the status. It's kind of like checking the population of Ithaca during the height of the Steel Birds, and saying that's the average population of Ithaca. People who may never have bothered with the forum before were probably here for that one day to find out the game status, again, just IMHO.
Even using your numbers, assuming EVERY AVATAR (or at least those that matter) globals once a month, and the number that were here on that one day in 2009 check the forum regularly and post, that's 26% of the user base that was online at a given moment on PCF. To me, that's an extreme minority upon which to base an opinion on behavior.
I dunno, Jimmy. 1.3 on PCF of 5 who are globaling. Are all those 1.3 posting? Or are they just keeping tabs on the current threads? Even if all 1.3 comment on a particular issue, you're saying there are another 3.7 folks out there hunting/mining, but not contributing their opinion. I don't want 1.3 of 5 deciding what's best for me at any given time. Just over 1 in 5 certainly a minority, and not quite as extreme an exaggeration as you seem to be suggesting.
Meh, to each his own.
Regarding Entropia being free to play, I though about another suggestion. How about this;
You can dl for free and create an account. If you dont deposit after 30 days your character will be deleted. Amount to deposit is 100 ped. This will continue for 12 months. After that you wont have to deposit anymore and your character is what we have today. All players currently registered would count past the 12 months.
In many ways I thought this would be good. What do you think?
I guess it depends on what we're discussing. For purposes of an economic nature, I think you can pretty much argue that only users that global are relevant. Anyone else isn't cycling enough PED to have an impact on EU or MA. Excluding a handful of traders/LA owners/beauticians.
No the game should stay free to play, as it is now. The reason why this is failing is Mindark.
They took or better FPC took the right step in creating the Calypso Gateway, also adding the puny mobs around Port Atlantis was a good step. Even though the sweat price is low, the new rooky gear is a lot cheaper to use. The missions also improved the game a lot for new players.
Only thing lacking are some more free activities for new players. How about collecting acid from snable.
Then use this in tiers for melee weapons, more damage maybe ?
The free to play concept works for other games, here it can work too, but I admit it’s tricky.
But it is only Mindark and the PP's who can make free to play really work.
Using tracker to estimate the number of active players, is a shot in the dark.
Same goes for the forum, loads of players never use this forum.
Both points are true, but it depends if we want an exact figure or a ballpark figure. For the latter we can make a pretty good guess using the information provided by things like tracker. If we needed a more accurate figure we could also do some polling of randomly selected avatars in-game to see, for instance, what percentage of people do not use they forums and extrapolate from there. But for many discussions here a rough ballpark is all we need.
Since they can predict the elections just by calling a few voters I totally believe that. Never really figured out how they do that. Magic in my eyes since it seems to work ^^
Nobody play for free here.
Bills need to be paid.
So some ppl play on expenses of depositing participants and call that playing for free.
Using tracker to estimate the number of active players, is a shot in the dark.
Same goes for the forum, loads of players never use this forum.
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Since they can predict the elections just by calling a few voters I totally believe that. Never really figured out how they do that. Magic in my eyes since it seems to work ^^
Both points are true, but it depends if we want an exact figure or a ballpark figure. For the latter we can make a pretty good guess using the information provided by things like tracker. If we needed a more accurate figure we could also do some polling of randomly selected avatars in-game to see, for instance, what percentage of people do not use they forums and extrapolate from there. But for many discussions here a rough ballpark is all we need.
Dear friend, if it is like you said, the situation of the game is worst than I believed.... I explain you... if there are, so many active players, .. and they never are compensated with globals or HOFs... one day they will bored and left the game....
If you have reason, then we have really problems...
I would like to know how many daily turnover are you considering to define a player as an active player?
Look at the reviews out there about EU - ripoff, casino, con.
Let’s just take a step backwards here.
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