News: Entropia Creators Club Initiative

[jetsina]

Firstly, no, everyone did not start with looter level zero, which is what <40 is about in the quote, I believe. Actual skill specifically in the direct profs (3 types), ok, but many were already >30 from other contributory skills, thus already with the unlocked prof too for at least one of the three.
Secondly, the complaint is about the widening gap in peds or time before a new starter can get to a 'reasonable place'. New players are even less unlikely to stay than ever, i.e. very poor retention rate. If this isn't addressed, all that advertising does is make people aware faster that EU is not for them.
Solutions... maybe problematic, yes. But please try to understand the perceived problem as of timestamp 2024!

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

Who in their right mind would watch a Entropia Stream if they aren't already playing or with intentions to play? Pew Pew for 5 hours at the same location, how much people you think the stream will attract?

tbh, i sent a link of a entropia stream the other day to a friend of mine and he completely roasted me, wondering what the hell i was smoking to be able to watch that "p.o.s "game" "

im sorry, i love entropia, entropia has been a part of most of my life at this point... but looking at the game currently, what it looks like, the gameplay... no, just no, there is no way anyone except those already "inside" entropia is gonna watch.

sure, someone might, but not the masses. its not a stream-friendly-game, people gets turned off by watching it when they hear about the items, costs, returns etc.

 

[Dibbler]

tbh, i sent a link of a entropia stream the other day to a friend of mine and he completely roasted me, wondering what the hell i was smoking to be able to watch that "p.o.s "game" "

im sorry, i love entropia, entropia has been a part of most of my life at this point... but looking at the game currently, what it looks like, the gameplay... no, just no, there is no way anyone except those already "inside" entropia is gonna watch.

sure, someone might, but not the masses. its not a stream-friendly-game, people gets turned off by watching it when they hear about the items, costs, returns etc.

Don't even need to be online or playing a game to make it on twitch.

This streamer cirrently offline and 4.5k viewers... pew pew or stuff like this for teenage/young adults

No talent needed confirmed

A special thankyou to my nephew who revealed what he watching on twitch right now lol.


Note to self: Nephew xmas present extremely large box of tissues.

 

[DavinFelth]

I'm thinking we also don't have much info on what they have in mind and we are filling in the blanks and leading to a lot of arguments.
Calling it creators club = could mean players making content in the game, or as they said connecting devs to players (again I argue what a community manager does)
I again will say actions speak louder than MA's words. so until there is something to talk about...

 

[ColonelBuckshot]

I'd of been much more excited had this initiative launched along side UE5, that would of made WAY more sense to me but then again we don't know any details of this really.
Still interested to find out and hope they have an ahaa! Moment that puts it into focus, but as it looks atm, yeah it doesn't make much sense to invest in this sort of thing when nothing else has changed. Hmm.

 

[Some Random Player]

Don't forget why loot 2.0 came and remember that everyone started with 0 looter skills.
All had same equality of chances but whoever lost in 1.0 lose in 2.0 because in the end who choose to win will win.
Even when the game forced the difference between upper class and lower class Mindark can't do more and put money onto your pocket, you need to do your investment/effort on your end.

thats incorrect. someone who already had 10k+ in anatomy definitely didnt start with 0 looter level. and thanks to these secondary skills those already level looter much much faster. and on top of that you already had the time to profit off of 1.0 more than enough to make up for that very brief period of "low" looter level you had.

you can lie all you want but that doesnt make it true.

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

This streamer cirrently offline and 4.5k viewers... pew pew or stuff like this for teenage/young adults

That twitch channel gathers more viewers than there are players in Entropia.

She probably makes more money than Mindark also.

Says a lot, if you ask me.

 

[messi91]

thats incorrect

I said looter skills not looter profession please read.
Also if some players choose to have 10k anatomy is because prior to that while others quit the game , he choose to keep pumping skill into his avatar because he believe in mindark and skill system while others quit the game when it was hard for the game.
You can lie to yourself as you want but at the end of the day you are the only one who can choose for yourself if you want to be successful in this game or not.

 

[Dibbler]

I wonder what she is famous for.


Oh, I see, her most popular clips on twitch is when she walks away from the camera.


So third person, female avatars it is?

No idea tbh but Nephew likes her, and have to admit caught my attention till the lady of house walked in on me

 

[jetsina]

Calling it creators club = could mean players making content in the game, or as they said connecting devs to players

I was also unsure as to what as meant, but content creator is also a term used for making videos as education or entertainment, so without necessarily creating 'game content'...

There is never a better time to tune into some Entropia streams on Twitch, or videos on YouTube, both to get immersed in the game but also to support our great creators.

Any inquiries can be directed to ...

How many errors of English can you find in the above ending to the OP? Usually MA has few direct errors, although what they really mean may be ambiguous for sure. This is slightly different, and makes me think it was not checked or formulated with 'care'. (I think it's 3 errors (for British English), by the way, not enough to be massive, but enough to make me cautious of the rest too).

 

[SamanthaFlynn]

I'd get on board with this if Entropia was entertaining or mesmerizing to watch.

It is not.

It is sometimes informative to those who can understand what their watching, but it is in no shape for MindArk to be starting initiatives aimed at getting more content creators going. There are other open world games out there that are far more visually stunning to watch and much more enjoyable to play. If I were to measure Entropia against any other game I currently play, it would win in a single category (ability to withdraw / RCE) and lose miserably in every other.

I'm guessing no one at MindArk plays any other games.

Until MindArk realizes that you can't have quality content without quality gameplay, this will never change.

I truly do hope that Unreal opens doors that allows MindArk to bring Entropia into the 21st century as a virtual entertainment platform, but at this point, I'm not so sure I'd bet on it.

 

[BobehZ Live on Kick.com]

I'd get on board with this if Entropia was entertaining or mesmerizing to watch.

It is not.

I have to disagree with this, the game a streamer plays is not as important as the streamer themselves. I've watched many streamers play games and do things I have no interest in at all, but they make it enjoyable and are fun to watch. (no hot tubs involved)
I will say though, the sweating streams and ad revenue streams negatively impact the game and potential players that would be interested in it. One look at the streamer sweating to make pennies an hour is definitely enough internet for the day.

 

[jetsina]

If the focus of the viewer is the streamer, then there isn't going to be much in it for EU.
If a viewer would happily watch a streamer talk about how the paint on a wall is drying, it's not going to translate into people watching paint dry on their own.
But I get your point, I think.
However, you are not disagreeing that EU is probably not fun to watch of itself. Plus you have a negative view of some of the streaming types, probably rightly so.
I don't know how MA might make streaming itself more integrated and easier, if that is their aim. Maybe it isn't necessary - streamers would know. Simply asking our streamers might be better than this announcement, I feel.

 

[Some Random Player]

I said looter skills not looter profession please read.
Also if some players choose to have 10k anatomy is because prior to that while others quit the game , he choose to keep pumping skill into his avatar because he believe in mindark and skill system while others quit the game when it was hard for the game.
You can lie to yourself as you want but at the end of the day you are the only one who can choose for yourself if you want to be successful in this game or not.

because new players dont exist. right. thats exactly the issue.

 

[PreyNaika]

I'd get on board with this if Entropia was entertaining or mesmerizing to watch.

It is not.

It is sometimes informative to those who can understand what their watching, but it is in no shape for MindArk to be starting initiatives aimed at getting more content creators going. There are other open world games out there that are far more visually stunning to watch and much more enjoyable to play. If I were to measure Entropia against any other game I currently play, it would win in a single category (ability to withdraw / RCE) and lose miserably in every other.

I'm guessing no one at MindArk plays any other games.

Until MindArk realizes that you can't have quality content without quality gameplay, this will never change.

I truly do hope that Unreal opens doors that allows MindArk to bring Entropia into the 21st century as a virtual entertainment platform, but at this point, I'm not so sure I'd bet on it.

Its allways a good time, without mindark i wuldnt have spend my time to do a Video about a weapon that got 1500 yt views within two days. Yes thats not much but 1500 people did see the video just because i did put it out there.

Remaining silent leads to 0

Now one can say the video edit is Bad, the music is Bad, the game is Bad,the gameplay is Bad, all is Bad. But this wont change the fact that it did drag attention and this attention will lead to a New Player in EU, cant ignore that.

If the player chooses to stay, thats in his hands

I for my part did choose to stay since 2011, and depoed 40.000 usd in here, and i enjoy every second in here more then in any other game i played,you cant ignore that too.

Not everyone is same

 

[messi91]

because new players dont exist. right. thats exactly the issue.

They don't exist because there is no marketing for them to register not because someone has skills or not in the game.
In the old days people registered because mouth to mouth marketing, nowadays washed woke tiktokers type : how to make money in video game, see our game and don't register, they don't have the patience to read 2 rows or information, woke mentality, 0 attention span.

 

[jetsina]

Everyone is not the same, or not everyone is the same, which applies to the use of language too.
There are also many branches of failure, or the reasoning of failure, such as kids these days wouldn't have the attention span, not even to press one key repeatedly, so that's it for EU anyway soon.
The minimum 'sustainable' path for MA is surely to have enough players depositing into the future to cover their existence. Money wasted doesn't help in this. As others have suggested in various ways, EU does not appear to have a good retention rate, so what is the point of pouring resources into a bucket with a massive retention hole in it?
Maybe MA should advertise for pensioners or something like that: people with more disposable and guaranteed income in many cases, and maybe wanting to keep their brains active and fit as old age beckons. But then MA needs some official handing over of avatars to descendants policy, or so, in order to keep any legacies alive, so to speak. But maybe MA just hopes such accounts will lapse, and they can just take the assets. Maybe this branch of thinking is also a dud one, not true and not a good idea anyway, who knows?

If MA does mean CONTENT in a bigger way than just streaming sweating, or whatever, then please implement much better tools for video/audio gatherings. Some years ago the idea of virtual conferences came up, alongside I think some new buildings at the spaceport on Caly that may have been for slightly different projects.
Get players to stream enjoyable content from within EU if the game itself continues to be uninspiring.
At least that is a plan that may make more sense, with small ped costs to streamers for the 'conference settings' generating revenue for MA too...

 

[ProActive Mango]

They don't exist because there is no marketing for them to register not because someone has skills or not in the game.
In the old days people registered because mouth to mouth marketing, nowadays washed woke tiktokers type : how to make money in video game, see our game and don't register, they don't have the patience to read 2 rows or information, woke mentality, 0 attention span.

Or ybers trying their all to sell overpriced gear to new people and have zero intrest if they stay or go as long as the ybers are making cash its all good.

 

[messi91]

Or ybers trying their all to sell overpriced gear to new people and have zero intrest if they stay or go as long as the ybers are making cash its all good.

Historically speaking a new player learn what Uber means in roughly 6months.It would be impossible to know that before you register to a new game let alone the fact that not all ubers sell their guns and then those who do not all are overpriced.
However I understand your frustration not being able to acquire a weapon as cheap as you want.

 

[sloth]

After 177 requests, will MA finally allow Hermes to join The Big Dik Squad!?

Find out: Thursdays on Twitch!

 

[Some Random Player]

They don't exist because there is no marketing for them to register not because someone has skills or not in the game.
In the old days people registered because mouth to mouth marketing, nowadays washed woke tiktokers type : how to make money in video game, see our game and don't register, they don't have the patience to read 2 rows or information, woke mentality, 0 attention span.

tell me you dont know what a retention rate is without telling me...

 

[Dibbler]

They don't exist because there is no marketing for them to register not because someone has skills or not in the game.
In the old days people registered because mouth to mouth marketing, nowadays washed woke tiktokers type : how to make money in video game, see our game and don't register, they don't have the patience to read 2 rows or information, woke mentality, 0 attention span.

So are you saying that lack of new players (potential customers) is the fault of ones not choosing to register/play?
If so that's some serious mental gymnastics.
Saying that people that don't play or even interested to look is down to newer generation, is not i think a solid plan for growth.

 

[messi91]

So are you saying that lack of new players (potential customers) is the fault of ones not choosing to register/play?

They don't exist because there is no marketing for them to register <<---- just answered here.

 

[Theocles]

Or ybers trying their all to sell overpriced gear to new people and have zero intrest if they stay or go as long as the ybers are making cash its all good.

Items on entropia are worth what someone is willing to pay for them, plain and simple, no one forces you to purchase an item from anyone, if you feel a price is too high its quite simple, dont buy it.

If you go to buy a used car and then find its worth 5000$ less than what you paid for it, is it your fault for having purchased it and not doing your research, or the fault of the salesman for not telling you?

 

[BobehZ Live on Kick.com]

Items on entropia are worth what someone is willing to pay for them, plain and simple, no one forces you to purchase an item from anyone, if you feel a price is too high its quite simple, dont buy it.

If you go to buy a used car and then find its worth 5000$ less than what you paid for it, is it your fault for having purchased it and not doing your research, or the fault of the salesman for not telling you?

Curious when is the last time you had to read a bar graph when buying a vehicle?
If you do make some sense of the graph, many of these items have been shill bid by the few people that own them. But of course you wouldnt know that as a new player..
With all that being said. I returned from many years of not playing and I can tell you 100% that the few ubers I tried to deal with in my Adjusted harrier armor were definitely over charging and when I even questioned it they gave all the responses an experienced player would give and know what to say to "make the sale"
These things are easy to say from your point of view. Like parenting.. we often forget what it was like "being a child" aka.. "being a noob"

 

[spectrum3900]

Great initiative MA - Can I apply since I have been running my websites for years?

Entropia Estate

Market data from auction about Player housing in Entropia Universe. And your first stop for virtual visits of Entropia estates.

entropia.estate

Entropia Hub

Entropia Universe general information - filled with useful tools to help every entropian players.

entropiahub.com

FOMA Asteroid

Discover FOMA - Asteroid from Entropia Universe. Hunt, mine in 20 biomes and visit more than 50+ player owned shops.

foma-asteroid.com

and
https://entropia.university which I am motivated to start deving - with written courses, guides, and interactive tools.

 

[DavinFelth]

I have to disagree with this, the game a streamer plays is not as important as the streamer themselves. I've watched many streamers play games and do things I have no interest in at all, but they make it enjoyable and are fun to watch. (no hot tubs involved)
I will say though, the sweating streams and ad revenue streams negatively impact the game and potential players that would be interested in it. One look at the streamer sweating to make pennies an hour is definitely enough internet for the day.

I agree, I don't even watch streamers more than 2 mins to just check a game out, but if you look it up there is almost every game out there and I'd argue many are just as or 10x more boring to watch than EU. I just looked it up and there is farming simulator, lawn mower simulator, and few people streaming slot machines.....
But I do imagine in my head "OK guys! Today we'll be fruit walking.... " 2 hours later, "all-right, let's count it up... yes that's 485 fruit for a total value of 1.5 peds OR 15 cents!!! More than it costs to power my PC for the day.
There are already EU streamers so not sure what is different about this idea they are suggesting.

 

[Sulje]

At the moment of writing this, there's 0 afk streamers under Entropia Universe category on twitch, maybe they did something with it ? If so, good job !

 

[Sub-Zero]

At the moment of writing this, there's 0 afk streamers under Entropia Universe category on twitch, maybe they did something with it ? If so, good job !

Yesterday raynard something I think? Was streaming afk for couple of hours.. so idk. Imo all afk streamers should get notice from MA to stop. Fk that shit. But it's definitely noticeable that they are doing something. Since it's way less than in the past.

 

[cat1000er]

I've been avoiding the forum if I'm honest as atm it just seems like a lot of misplaced complaints.

Yes MA have been cleaning up the Entropia twitch category but its only surface stuff as those afk streamers have now gone over to 'just chatting'. Unfortunately MA can only do so much to push streamers to stream in the correct category (MA doesn't own twitch and twitch internal complaints system I'm not to sure how those are handled), I have found a decline though in entropia streamers that are active so when it comes time to raid over I sometimes raid to people that are playing different games.

When it comes to complains about MA and the way the game is run, in my opinion this isn't the thread for that. I have things that I don't like about the game and things I think need fixing, and I will say those on my stream. Being in a club for creators doesn't change my opinion of the game and tbh I think sometimes you need the opinion of many different people with out the whole 'this game is great you should play' as we know the game isn't for everyone.

I'll post a few things here that might help clear up some stuff
we did ask Socrates for a little clarification on streaming in entropia rules
DO NOT take this as an Official statement

No streaming non-entropia games in the category.
Mini-games are allowed but cannot be the focus - No "Watch to Earn PED" schemes or schemes to that affect, including using channel points to directly withdraw items, PED, points or other forms of currency

We as content creators haven't been told 'dont talk about this, avoid that' or been told of any monetary gain from being in the group. As far as I know there isn't any. Yes there's the 'chance' to earn an affiliate link but that is at MA's discretion. This is something that tbh I don't think I will ever get to a stage where I will get that. But atm I'm just happy to see other creators working together to help boost and encourage each other.

There is a long road ahead but I think this is a step forward even if it just gets people talking as sometimes there's a disconnect between other streamers and youtubers so its just nice seeing both sides working together.

(sorry for the long message was gonna keep it short an sweet)