Entropia Universe is not a casino

[Chrome]

EU is not a gamble. Over time either you profit, or you lose. There are things you can do to improve your profit, or increase your loss.

 

[Mikass]

Originally Posted by Profit
Gamble - take a risk in the hope of a favorable outcome

End of discussion really

Gamble is one thing. Gambling is something else.

 

[Mikass]

The thing that really gets me is that you're playing against a constantly moving target. It's like MA have all the cards, and if they want, they can add a few more aces to their hand at any time.
Maybe it's just me!

So does the state by changing the laws. MA acts as the state in our case. It brings both good and bad. Let`s hope evolution is for the better.

 

[Sirhc]

OK.........in the game aspects of EU there are always going to be times when you win and times when you lose. Its also how you define a win. To me playing EU for free doing the things I like to do is win. I may not withdrawl enough to quit my day job in EU but I can bring my personal costs to close to nothing if I so choose.

Before my video card died and I was put on furlough at my job I used to play EU daily and noticed certain patterns about my style of play and how the system reacted at certain times. When my avatar is in a bad cycle I play less in a good cycle I play more to take advantage of it.

The most frustrating thing about the EU Casino label is when you see threads where people spend oodles of PEDS and expecting some type of return. At some point you need to ask yourself where those PEDs are being spent and are those PEDs being spent on high risk endevours in hopes of hitting a really big loot or are they being spent in ways that might garner a better return albeit less risky endevour.

I've spent a lot on EU much more than any MMO or sandbox game but I have also made more money in EU than any other MMO or sandbox game or eBay combined. I know I am going to lose sometimes thats just the dynamic nature of the EU as it is now. For the most part playing at zero cost is great in my book and if I can make a little PED during those times to offset my bad cycles then that is just the icing on the cake.

Overall I take responsibility for the PED I have deposited into EU whether I made more PED by doing so, upgraded my avatar in some way, or pissed it all away on risky endevours. I do know what to look for in EU and how to participate in ways that cost me very little. I just can't say those same things about a real life Casino one slot machine is completely different than another, on dealer will clean your clock and yet others you just can't lose, and poker many times no matter how good you play can end up boiling down to just a card flip between equal players.

You can make your money work for you in EU. It may not always work but the important lesson is that you learn from your mistakes or you will always be doomed to repeat them.

I don't know how many times I try something in EU and end up saying "shit that didnt work" but I make a mental note of what I saw how I reacted and what the outcome was so if I see that situation rearing its ugly head again I can and do step away from it.

Putting a label on EU is more about a person's state of mind and there perception of what they want to see. Not everyone see's this MMO or virtual universe as a gamble or casino. I do think that most of us know that some action in EU will eventually cause some reaction elsewhere in some manner. Knowing how to take advantage of certain situations in the system in key but you need to be aware of them and aware of just what kind of cycle your avatar is in.

No matter what the "Casino/not a Casino" will debated as long as EU is around. Its an argument that cannot be won unless MA wants to label EU and set the record straight. So lets all agree to disagree and get back to EU in whatever fashion you decide to play it.

 

[Naithen]

I'd love to see the lotteries commission reports on EU from when MA was investigated a few years back. I'd imagine the ONLY reason it wasn't classified a lottery, is the fact that avatar skill is a variable in ROI, a very very small variable.

I think MA was about to be found guilty of being a casino / lottery so they very quickly replaced the "ped" loot with oils/ etc . Now your spending your money to loot oils and items and with the oil and items you can craft and sell those items to other players or go mining to do the same thing . Now what MA is providing you is a "service" not a game of chance.

 

[Tricity]

Sorry Goni,

I have to totally disagree with you here!!

EU is definatley not a "relatively cheap entertainment" if you play against MindArk, if you choose to play the game as they want you to play it, I'm afraid you will be very dissapointed!!

In May 2007 I sent a support case to MindArk and complained about my 50k losses in just 7 months. Hey ho.. not a huge amount... BIG MISTAKE!!!

Since that day.... the losses have been "immense", my ROI was slashed majorly and to this day the losses have been continual.. I have "never" broken even or profited since that support case...

My losses currently stand at over 220,000.00 ped in deposits alone and I have now stopped depositing, why?... not becuase I can't afford to deposit but I honestly dont see the point and feel its pointless to continue.. investment in my avatar has been a complete waste of time as the results have been exactly the same!!

MindArk know exactly what I'm saying as I have been through this a million times with them and every support case gets closed with no answers as to why..

Where next?

I have know idea... I'm not an addict or a gambling freak, just a regular person (as many of you here) trying to enjoy Entropia.. a game that has become so expensive to play that it in the end it drives people to give up something they once enjoyed!

Is this a casino... hell no!

In a casino you get to see everyones hands "above" the table!! Unlike here...

Regards
Jack Scudd Samuels

precisely

So basically, you're saying, if you don't want to lose tonnes of money, don't progress through the levels of the game?
Then why play?
The point of any game is to progress. The problem with EU is that progression means immense cost. You cannot argue this, the only people who can are the 0.01% of players that actually profit and withdraw on a regular basis and these people either, a: were here before the nerfs, giving them an unfair advantage, or, b: made (relatively large, in most cases) investments on items that allow them better eco or advantage, OR, c: made a VERY lucky click that brought a nice pay cheque (or they trade, in which case I'd suggest getting a real job, they pay better).

If you're not in this game to progress and say you're here for fun and enjoyment, then I put it to you that you need to experience other games, as EU is not fun in comparison to other games. This games biggest draw (or retention) card, is that the community, generally, is amazing and that there is the potential to make a bit of money on the side. The biggest downfall of this game is, unless you're content being a low-mid level player for the rest of your life, this game will cost you an arm, leg, pelvis and index finger.

Most expensive click fest in history, PERIOD.

I accept the cost, but that doesn't make it acceptable.


WRONG. For the 15 years prior to finding EU I played only games that didn't cost ANYTHING, with the exception of installation disk.
Not to mention Basketball, Rowing, socialising, writing music, etc etc etc...
The only people who don't spend money in EU, play boring, sweating, finding fruit, trading for PEC's profit etc etc... I did this for 3 months, before realising what a HUGE waste of time it was. Working 1 hour IRL pays better than a weeks worth of the aforementioned.

precisely

So now you have to listen to the holy words.....

1. You was not om the right spot.
2. This game is dynamic.
3. You have dunn things over the limit off your skills.
4. You do things with bad eco.
5. You dont play smart.
6. you have not deposit enough.
7. Its not your turn to hit the big one.
8. You had bad luck.
9. You havent been mining, hunting, crafting enough.
10. your avatar is mot lucky.
11. You are not one off MA:s favorite.
12. You have to low skills.
13. You have to try new profession.
14. You dont use brain.
15. you are not in top 10 soc.
16. MA keeps a balance in the game.


Sorry i cant find more excuses just now but i am convinced there is many more off them.
And remember its not a casino.

And btw... ( 50k losses in just 7 months ) is not so much...there if avatars who has lost much more in 7 months.

ha ha that sums some folks up

You just described what winning is... in this Alternative Life scenario... as in real life on earth 99.9% of the people never make to the top but still live very successful and positive and productive lives at all levels of existence...

Set in the future, you are invited
to join an open-ended social, economic and political action-adventure as a human colonist on a distant alien planet. The sandbox approach allows you to choose your own path and write a unique story with others from around the world.
You will enter a new chapter in Calypso’s story. After an exhausting five year conflict with an invading robot enemy, the long awaited promise of peace and prosperity on Calypso remains elusive. With the robots repelled to their home world Akbal-Cimi, cracks in colonist solidarity are emerging. The war-time economy has produced industrialists with the resources to buy up Calypso’s precious land, while disgruntled ex-soldiers are left to wander Calypso, hunting and mining for their survival. A rising middle-class of entrepreneurs is irritating both. All are disillusioned with Earth’s Federal Empire that left the colony to fend for itself during the robot war. You will land on a Calypso with revolution and civil war in the air.​

Have you got what it takes to stake a claim on Calypso?​

​

This is the "game" if want to call it that and how it is structured... if you choose make it a gambling adventure and play as if your in a casino... you are not playing this game... and you will be diappointed and loose lots of money... and I will cost hundreds of dollars per hour... just as if you are in the casino... of your own making... I'm still aghast at a 5,000 dollar loss in 7 months... and 22,000 dollars over all...

Good movie references "A Man Called Horse" and "Jerimiah Johnson"

Learn to be where you are in the here and now in this Alternative Universe...

you are a nut case. have you noticed that no one reacts to your propaganda? most of the time people just exchange views and ignore your dumb posts completely so why posting them? what should one answer to "you are invited to join an open-ended social, economic and political action-adventure as a human colonist on a distant alien planet. The sandbox approach allows you to choose your own path and write a unique story with others from around the world" what the fuck is that??? are you trying to show them that you want to be a pr person or is it your project at pr studies? or are you simply daft and enjoy all that blah blah blah of yours.

EU has a slot machine based loot system.

Only way to profit is not to milk the house (MA) but other players via selling markup items you receive.

Face it:

- EU is not the best looking MMO around
- EU is not the most popular MMO around
- EU has very small attendace compared to other popular MMO
- EU skilling system is of such kind that it doesnt provide solid and tangible powerups or leveling
- EU pvp is not based on your motoric skills
- EU hunting / mining is basically grinding of the worst kind
- EU crafting is AC slotmachine


- YET WE LOVE IT - BECAUSE ITS THE WAY TO GAMBLE WHILE TELLING OUR WIVES THAT WE ARE PLAYING A GAME

I.

speak for urself, WE DONT LOVE IT ANYMORE

OK.........in the game aspects of EU there are always going to be times when you win and times when you lose. Its also how you define a win. To me playing EU for free doing the things I like to do is win. I may not withdrawl enough to quit my day job in EU but I can bring my personal costs to close to nothing if I so choose.

Before my video card died and I was put on furlough at my job I used to play EU daily and noticed certain patterns about my style of play and how the system reacted at certain times. When my avatar is in a bad cycle I play less in a good cycle I play more to take advantage of it.

The most frustrating thing about the EU Casino label is when you see threads where people spend oodles of PEDS and expecting some type of return. At some point you need to ask yourself where those PEDs are being spent and are those PEDs being spent on high risk endevours in hopes of hitting a really big loot or are they being spent in ways that might garner a better return albeit less risky endevour.

I've spent a lot on EU much more than any MMO or sandbox game but I have also made more money in EU than any other MMO or sandbox game or eBay combined. I know I am going to lose sometimes thats just the dynamic nature of the EU as it is now. For the most part playing at zero cost is great in my book and if I can make a little PED during those times to offset my bad cycles then that is just the icing on the cake.

Overall I take responsibility for the PED I have deposited into EU whether I made more PED by doing so, upgraded my avatar in some way, or pissed it all away on risky endevours. I do know what to look for in EU and how to participate in ways that cost me very little. I just can't say those same things about a real life Casino one slot machine is completely different than another, on dealer will clean your clock and yet others you just can't lose, and poker many times no matter how good you play can end up boiling down to just a card flip between equal players.

You can make your money work for you in EU. It may not always work but the important lesson is that you learn from your mistakes or you will always be doomed to repeat them.

I don't know how many times I try something in EU and end up saying "shit that didnt work" but I make a mental note of what I saw how I reacted and what the outcome was so if I see that situation rearing its ugly head again I can and do step away from it.

Putting a label on EU is more about a person's state of mind and there perception of what they want to see. Not everyone see's this MMO or virtual universe as a gamble or casino. I do think that most of us know that some action in EU will eventually cause some reaction elsewhere in some manner. Knowing how to take advantage of certain situations in the system in key but you need to be aware of them and aware of just what kind of cycle your avatar is in.

No matter what the "Casino/not a Casino" will debated as long as EU is around. Its an argument that cannot be won unless MA wants to label EU and set the record straight. So lets all agree to disagree and get back to EU in whatever fashion you decide to play it.

see 3rd smiley from the top, you belong there. my advice to all people that KNOW HOW TO PLAY AND WIN, call me a loser but please
ENLIGHTEN ME
tell me how to prosper, cos all you people share one thing in common, you are very very VAGUE. my advice is: MA f... you up and you should f... MA up, pure and simple. I stopped participating in this scam system and as opposed to the winners, will give you some advice: break the habit, stop playing it go elsewhere cos in here you will grow more and more frustrated. i personally started playing eve online and enjoy it a lot.

 

[Snuggins]

I don't know how many times I try something in EU and end up saying "shit that didnt work" but I make a mental note of what I saw how I reacted and what the outcome was so if I see that situation rearing its ugly head again I can and do step away from it.

For me, the most frustrating thing is when I try to do what you just said and I see someone else having success doing exactly the thing that I just decided must be a "bad idea."

I was grinding foul young/adult for over a month with tt-knife, opalo+a101, and a fap5. It wasn't terrible, but a global would have really helped me out from the losses that reduced me to such a low-level of hunting. On the first day that I took a break and (thanks to a birthday deposit) fought some of the invading robots, I see someone get a 70 ped global on foul young.

I have a hard time identifying what "doesn't work." The level of randomness in the game is so high that it frustrates any attempt to make a reasoned approach.

Another small example from the robot attacks at Medusa: I was wearing Vigi+6a (with ~56% condition on the plates) to get a good level of protection without too much over-protection. A droka gen 02 hit me for 3.3 dmg and then the next hit was a critical for 100.6 dmg. That's a big window for someone to try to defend against without eating a lot of 1.0 hits (droka 02's do hit for 1.0 on that setup sometimes too )

 

[Mr Trayles]

my advice to all people that KNOW HOW TO PLAY AND WIN, call me a loser but please
ENLIGHTEN ME
tell me how to prosper, cos all you people share one thing in common, you are very very VAGUE. my advice is: MA f... you up and you should f... MA up, pure and simple. I stopped participating in this scam system and as opposed to the winners, will give you some advice: break the habit, stop playing it go elsewhere cos in here you will grow more and more frustrated. i personally started playing eve online and enjoy it a lot.

Really? How much are you making there?

A scam is where they tell you that you are going to make money and you actually can't. You can here although most people won't. If everyone made money then money would have to be falling from the sky. MA is a company that takes a portion of the money in the game to run their business. Duh, what would you expect. The rest of it is each of us against each other. You make money by getting it from others. Not from MA. The money you make, if you are intelligent enough to make it, you make from other people in the game.

You are capable of making money here, unlike other places that just take your money and give you virtual items and stats that are worthless.

Obviously, that makes some people happier. So be it. But stop calling this a scam. There is no scam here.

 

[junkyard]

Bottom line EU is more a casino than not, certain aspects evidently differ from a casino, EU being a MMO, but the core concept is the same. The more you put in the grater the chances that you eventually get paid back, but in the long term the house always wins.

 

[Sirhc]

see 3rd smiley from the top, you belong there. my advice to all people that KNOW HOW TO PLAY AND WIN, call me a loser but please
ENLIGHTEN ME
tell me how to prosper, cos all you people share one thing in common, you are very very VAGUE. my advice is: MA f... you up and you should f... MA up, pure and simple. I stopped participating in this scam system and as opposed to the winners, will give you some advice: break the habit, stop playing it go elsewhere cos in here you will grow more and more frustrated. i personally started playing eve online and enjoy it a lot.

I admit I am being deliberately vague some of that has to do with the ever changing system within EU and hey lets face it if something works for me then why blab it all over the net because then it will cease to work.

You have to figure EU out. It is by nature and has always been a thinking type game. Sometimes your current actions may not be realized as a win or loss for some time.

Its nice to look back on PE/EU of the past but the past is the past nothing can change it. What you do have control over is what you do today and maybe prepare yourself for things to come or situations you know your avatar can take prime advantage of.

I've not found the "Holy Grail" of EU nor do I think I ever will but that doesnt stop me from trying to do the best I can. It's easy to call EU a scam much easier than trying to find ways to keep costs to zero or even make some PED here and there.

I've definitely had my frustrated moments in EU who hasn't I just try to take those frustrations and turn them into something else that will benefit me, if not now then down the road a bit. I am patient I can wait and bide my time until the conditions are right.

The funny thing is that I don't play expecting to win everyday. I have been here long enough to know that conditions change day in and day out whether it be due to the balancing team or some action causing a reaction in the system caused by the participants.

In life you have to make things happen......very rarely do they flop right in your lap. PE was and EU is like this you have to make it happen and if its not working then it never hurts to take a break and re-evaluate and come at EU from a different approach.

I am an artist by nature money in real life sifts through my fingers like sand so I am not sure why I can see what I see in EU but I do and that is why I stick around and keeping plugging away at it.

 

[roughrider]

A few years ago I used to play a game called americas army. Although i was in the top 100 list of players i could no longer compete due to the overwhelming attack by aimbot etc.
Did that frustrate me?....Yes
Did I quit the game?....Yes
Did I miss my teammates?...Yes

Did i stick around the americas army forums whining my ass off even though i was no longer part of their community?....NO

I thought this was a forum for people that enjoy EU.

All done, hit me with the negative rep....you know you want to

 

[Tricity]

Really? How much are you making there?

A scam is where they tell you that you are going to make money and you actually can't. You can here although most people won't. If everyone made money then money would have to be falling from the sky. MA is a company that takes a portion of the money in the game to run their business. Duh, what would you expect. The rest of it is each of us against each other. You make money by getting it from others. Not from MA. The money you make, if you are intelligent enough to make it, you make from other people in the game.

You are capable of making money here, unlike other places that just take your money and give you virtual items and stats that are worthless.

Obviously, that makes some people happier. So be it. But stop calling this a scam. There is no scam here.

if u r intelligent u stay away from it and get a life

 

[Deleted member 23278]

A few years ago I used to play a game called americas army. Although i was in the top 100 list of players i could no longer compete due to the overwhelming attack by aimbot etc.
Did that frustrate me?....Yes
Did I quit the game?....Yes
Did I miss my teammates?...Yes

Did i stick around the americas army forums whining my ass off even though i was no longer part of their community?....NO

I thought this was a forum for people that enjoy EU.

All done, hit me with the negative rep....you know you want to

I don't see anything wrong with what you say.. but to whom do you refer?
ii for one am still part of the community and always will be

 

[Deleted member 23278]

I don't see anything wrong with what you say.. but to whom do you refer?
ii for one am still part of the community and always will be

I don't think the forum is for only those that do nothing but show love for the game but anyone that has a valid opinion.. i love EU with a passion.. mainly why i started this thread.. having EU tagged as a casino also taggs me as a gambler, and i'm no gambler.

 

[Deleted member 23278]

I don't think the forum is for only those that do nothing but show love for the game but anyone that has a valid opinion.. i love EU with a passion.. mainly why i started this thread.. having EU tagged as a casino also taggs me as a gambler, and i'm no gambler.

(miss quoted... see post above from roughrider)

 

[Deleted member 23278]

Originally Posted by Profit
Gamble - take a risk in the hope of a favorable outcome



Gamble is one thing. Gambling is something else.

indeed. certain words are used all too often without thinking.. i honestly beleive that those that come on EF and call EU a casino without explanation harms the rep of the game

 

[Profit]

indeed. certain words are used all too often without thinking..

LOL
I just woke up, saw this, and laughed... hard.

 

[stalkeer]

Entropia Universe is not a casino...

Rather it's an organized/legalized crime

 

[sky west]

The smokestack is spitting black soot into the sooty sky
The load on the road brings a tear to the Indian's eye
The Elephant won't forget what it's like inside his cage
The Ringmaster's Telecaster sings on an empty stage

Uh-huh
God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh
God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh

 

[roughrider]

I don't see anything wrong with what you say.. but to whom do you refer?
ii for one am still part of the community and always will be

Well I wont use names but I have been called a Nazi and a "moo person" by a person in this thread so i guess there are people who deem my opinions on what this forum is for as antisimetic, racist and mooish and from people like that you are almost guaranteed negative rep just for enjoying the game and questioning their motives.

Of course this forum is for everyone, not only players but to have an id here just to criticize the game and call people stupid for playing is beyond me....too much time it seems

 

[Joat]

Some more thoughts of mine...
One thing that people seem to mix up when we discuss if PE/EU/PC is a
casino or not, is functionality of system and the tt-value from HoF/ATHs.
(I too looked a little too much of tt-value earlier, but not anymore.)
We stare too much at what people get, instead of looking for how
it could happen...

A little hypothesis. Two players, with *exactly* same stats, gear and
history (which in reality is impossible), kill two mobs and loot at exact
same time, where player1 get 40k ped, and player2 get 2k ped, has from
a individual p.o.v exact same loot, but from systems boostsystem a bit
different outcome.
If they had killed their "twins" mob instead, the loot had been the opposite.
Does this make the system a casino-look-a-like?
Nope. Everything that happened is controlled, and has zero randomness.
We should look at the system as it has many layers, it's all about to
get perfect match of all layers.
Basicly, it's all about be in right spot, kill and loot right mob with right
equipment, at the right time.

 

[Brooklyn]

Nope. Everything that happened is controlled, and has zero randomness.
We should look at the system as it has many layers, it's all about to
get perfect match of all layers.

Basically, it's all about be in right spot, kill and loot right mob with right
equipment, at the right time.

Agree about controls the layers and zero planned randomness...if things were actually random you would get exosaur wool from a dakiba... and there is a mining map compiled by the mining soc., that shows that all ores are not available anywhere... etc... etc... there also wouldn't be a direct connection between common leather… leather extractors and the beginning mobs that drop them... and that the leather texture blue print, being the first blueprint… in texturing… which also give “metal scraps” as well a fabric ones for higher quality in later item crafting..

The system is well thought out in terms of skills, rating of equipment... add on and attachments... plus others players... time of day... all have their effects... and once you start layering elements the illusion of randomness appears because there is no way to effectively untangle or make a deductive logical sense of an action... or even repeat with same results... yet everything is not random and precisely predictable... That's IMHO why they call the system dynamic... and that over the long run you have a fairly stable system of related skills > equipment > loots…but in the short run… a wider set of variations…

In terms of the total system even all big Global’s Hof’s and ATH’s have IMHO very little effect on an internal economy of 4.5 billion peds… so leave things as they are…

But it's not about being the right spot at the right time
It's about being
in the right algorithm
with the right algorithm
at the right algoritmic time
in an alternative algorithmic universe

I think​

 

[Naithen]

Quote: Basicly, it's all about be in right spot, kill and loot right mob with right
equipment, at the right time.
Its so true

 

[Ragna Rock]

I dont get thoose ppl.. ok I'm a whiner too, occasionally, but trying to proof a point which is actually obvious to everyone is weak... You dont go infront of a cassino yelling "THIS IS A CASSINO! YOU CAN LOOSE REAL MONEY HERE!" When you deposit money you are aware of the risk that you will spend it, you will either play and force your luck or you will invest in something which might make you profit in the long run i.E: Estates (Hangar, LA), Skills to use efficient your gear, wares in order to resell them or whatever... in a cassino you dont have the option to INVEST, this is the biggest difference between EU and a cassino, also you dont have this kind of a comunity while gambling... and I know it for sure...

Everyone who looses cash is responsible for his cash, noone forces you to mine amped on CND or hunt big ass mobs with a low amount of skills, you can adjust your odds while gambling in EU, while trying to play as efficient as possible and not daring much,.... while playing low stakes in a cassino the only thing you can do is loose, in EU you can hit a tower while enmatter mining on eudoria...

I hope you got the point Bastardo?

 

[Ragna Rock]

I know many ppl not making "pec" while trading... I used to do comissioning, with no investment but chatting and a big friendslist and Ive earned 500-1k PED daily, my biggest comission was 22k for one deal, so dont tell me you cant earn cash here... Manuel (im sorry for calling names) is making a fortune with reselling high end gear, and he has my respect for doing so, since he never knows in what dirrection prices will move.... the same goes for Jenna.... NZR had a while back a monopoly on a blueprint he looted while crafting, he made xxxk PED on it, Dante bp... there was no gamble even he was crafting, every single succesfull try made him pure cash.... Pham Pham Neven was a persistant hunter he farmed cp day and night long and made a profit out of the loot.... yes its possible to profit Silverfox invested xxxk dollar into the game, he profited while hunting and profited while selling out as the market was right, ND dared to invest 100k $ in a dream, and I'm happy he can scratch his balls for the end of his days and just looking at the money pouring in, the same goes for deathifier who has my eternal respect for beeing the first one to dare investing almost 30k $ (lent money to do so) into VIRTUAL property... James Jimmy Striker gathered cash together in order to buy one of the most efficient hand guns, mod ep 40 and he had the skills to use it properly, he earned a lot while hunting 6h or more hours a day (search 10k PED ammo a day quest) Per Strakkan Kolabole (my mining idol) was the only miner runing around in shadow, but not because he deposited cash,... well he did until having enough skills, but because of beeing persistant enough to play and to know when the day isnt right to stop dropping bombs.

Do you need more examples where there was no gamble but persistance and dare which brought the succes? thoose ppl are making money, and many more are doing so...

Ppl like you come and go, they bring stress to the comunity telling stuff they hold for important,... if you have a problem with the "gambling" sue someone, a court will tell you that you havent been forced to spend your cash,...

 

[Ragna Rock]

you are way to stubborn... probably lost big game, hu? Ive lost a lot too, but I accept that its my own fault, not the fault of MA, I knew that the time wasnt right to hunt but I did, waiting for the "big one", I knew that my skills and gear dont suffice, but Ive done OA103 carpet bombing cnd without hoffing, I knew that the TT isnt my friend but Ive TTd stuff which had markup on it etc etc...

One day you win the other you loose, thats life....

Whatever, those were my :mytwopec:

 

[Deleted member 23278]

Ho hum..the point of this thread is to i give my point of view (like it or lump it)

Most negative responses have been valid to a point mostly due to an individuals thoughts and experiences.. it's a shame that there are some that get way too aggressive and try really hard to pick out all the little sentences and take them out of context to suit their own need to fuel there own anger and confusion and completely miss the point of other peoples thoughts.

(EU is not a casino)

 

[Profit]

Is.


(MA wins)

 

[Sirhc]

Is.


(MA wins)

MA is a business, its their business to make money while providing entertainment. There are many who view EU as "just entertainment" and don't mind spending for it. There are others who see opportunities within that virtual universe and find their entertainment in making PED. There are a variety of ways to play and to pay or not to pay in EU.

I think its laughable when I see things like "(MA wins)" of course they do why would they not want to profit from their business. If they did not make money from EU they could not continue to develop, promote, and grow what so many of us find entertaining.

Step outside the box now and then and look at EU from a different perspective or just take the easy way out and call it a Casino. Ahhhh well enough posting for me in this thread.

 

[Profit]

MA is a business, its their business to make money while providing entertainment. There are many who view EU as "just entertainment" and don't mind spending for it. There are others who see opportunities within that virtual universe and find their entertainment in making PED. There are a variety of ways to play and to pay or not to pay in EU.

I think its laughable when I see things like "(MA wins)" of course they do why would they not want to profit from their business. If they did not make money from EU they could not continue to develop, promote, and grow what so many of us find entertaining.

Step outside the box now and then and look at EU from a different perspective or just take the easy way out and call it a Casino. Ahhhh well enough posting for me in this thread.

Hehe I was actually emphasizing the childish side - "Yes it is! I win" - of the arguement. But then I thought of exactly what you said "of course they [MA] do why would they not want to profit from their business" and simply changed I to MA as it was more appropriate.