FYI: Hunting Exploit - "Meat Sacking"

ummm... hmmmmm. is it an exploit when i do a hunt the right way say on levi.... and run thru 1400ped ammo plus decay and get 40% return from loot? I think there is an exploit but surely not people being creative.

are not most of the people who complain and cry exploit, the same ones using them, until they are seen by another or back in the day fapping in lava and shit like that.
 
i didnt know about this exploit... interesting though...

the thing if it happens once ok... but if a person repeats the process over and over is when its a problem taking advantage of a bug... this is illegal and should involve a ban of sorts

If it happens once, ok. If it happens over and over, that means MA has been unable to fix the problem in time!


:p
 
This actually explains alot. I've seen a couple SOC's in HoF chat on the big prots and thought.... "Wow... I didn't know they could take those with the skills/gear they have." Well I guess this explains it. Noobs will be noobs I guess. Hopefully MindArk dishes out some bans. Maybe that's why some people from some of these SOCs have been selling some gear off... trying to cash out before the ban comes..... We all watched as Mary Jane took a month long vacation so we can assume that would be the minimum.

Hope ya got some screenies!

Menace
 
This actually explains alot. I've seen a couple SOC's in HoF chat on the big prots and thought.... "Wow... I didn't know they could take those with the skills/gear they have." Well I guess this explains it. Noobs will be noobs I guess. Hopefully MindArk dishes out some bans. Maybe that's why some people from some of these SOCs have been selling some gear off... trying to cash out before the ban comes..... We all watched as Mary Jane took a month long vacation so we can assume that would be the minimum.

Hope ya got some screenies!

Menace

Yup, reminds me of Naithen(?) and his spider... nothing was done back then regarding penalizing. He kept the shadow harness and a pile of peds (ath).

It really makes me sick, but Its like RL..., crime does pay apparently, the bigger the better.

Cheers,
Robo
 
Hope ya got some screenies!

I don’t, but some people in my soc might have screenies. All I have is witnesses and a chat log with a confession from the guy I booted. When he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar he sang like a little canary. He tried to use the "everyone else is doing it" excuse/justification and named a bunch of societies, some of which are on the front page of the top-50 most skilled list. All of the societies named are very well known and highly skilled, some are more infamous then others. Some of the usual suspects are involved.

My plan for now is to raise awareness of this in order to caution people and help prevent it from happening going forward. If the issue continues or of it becomes more widespread, it wont be hard to fly around overhead with my Quad-Wing scouting hunting areas looking for teams using the exploit. Hopefully those avatars will be in a PvP area, otherwise as far as I know... MA wont have much of a problem with someone repeatedly running mob trains on exploiters and ruining their game play.

We have done it plenty of times before. :laugh:
 
I don’t, but some people in my soc might have screenies. All I have is witnesses and a chat log with a confession from the guy I booted. When he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar he sang like a little canary. He tried to use the "everyone else is doing it" excuse/justification and named a bunch of societies, some of which are on the front page of the top-50 most skilled list. All of the societies named are very well known and highly skilled, some are more infamous then others. Some of the usual suspects are involved.

My plan for now is to raise awareness of this in order to caution people and help prevent it from happening going forward. If the issue continues or of it becomes more widespread, it wont be hard to fly around overhead with my Quad-Wing scouting hunting areas looking for teams using the exploit. Hopefully those avatars will be in a PvP area, otherwise as far as I know... MA wont have much of a problem with someone repeatedly running mob trains on exploiters and ruining their game play.

We have done it plenty of times before. :laugh:


Best thing you can do about this is.

1) report how to do the exploit to MA - Done
2) kick the cheater - Done
3) tell the soc leader of those socs they got members that is cheating - not done?
4) tell in public how to use the exploit to make pressure on MA - not done?
 
this makes me feel like an idiot for skiling up rockets, I even took support weapons system reward from trox mission, only so that I am able to buy the vrex2k with 200% mu, so that i can hunt big mobs.

it realy does seem theres no point in skilling when you can clearly get away with exploiting the systems features, with a month ban and you still get to keep the loot.
 
this makes me feel like an idiot for skiling up rockets, I even took support weapons system reward from trox mission, only so that I am able to buy the vrex2k with 200% mu, so that i can hunt big mobs.

it realy does seem theres no point in skilling when you can clearly get away with exploiting the systems features, with a month ban and you still get to keep the loot.

No, it doesn't. In fact we get 2 different games in one. The grinders and the cheaters.
I'm not going to risk getting a ban myself by standing in Twin or PA announcing how it's done but I will add to the pile of support cases in this matter by throwing one in myself.
 
Use fraps and record teams that do this whit hp bar whit names... let the ban fest start :wtg:

Been some around the bigger proterons, but never seen anybody else about there... Alina and ViaD @ LAN. So there aint alot off action on them if there is a very easy way to kill them...
 
It really makes me sick, but Its like RL..., crime does pay apparently, the bigger the better.

Cheers,
Robo

Well IRL crime only pays for a while. In Canada we have this law that states Criminals when convicted of a crime which makes them money MUST prove that thier assets were NOT paid for via proceedes of crime in order to get them back. This is very hard to do when you're a criminal. Trust me.... I know.... Maybe MindArk should implement a similar policy. For example.... if "Johnny Exploit Alot" deposits and buys a Mod Fap... there would be logs supporting that. He would keep that mod fap. BUT.... anything else he owns would be gone if he can't prove that they were purchased with anything other than PEDs obtained while exploiting. This may sound really harsh, especially if someone owns LA/MS/Uber gear/etc. but it sure as shit would prevent people from even CONSIDERING exploiting once they've accumulated skills and gear to a mid level or higher.

Menace
 
Why would you bother trapping a Proteron when its not hard to, a) team hunt or b) solo. I never had issues soloing proterons in the past, why bother trapping them?

I'm glad this issue is being made public, because people cheating in the game are also cheating the rest of us. :censored:
 
Why would you bother trapping a Proteron when its not hard to, a) team hunt or b) solo. I never had issues soloing proterons in the past, why bother trapping them?

reducing cost (armor/fap) maybe :confused:
 
reducing cost (armor/fap) maybe :confused:

what costs ?

solo prot young is down before it can hurt me using ml35+enh

big prots in team of 3 it rarely touches us,you have to use a bit of running offcourse
 
I'm glad this issue is being made public, because people cheating in the game are also cheating the rest of us. :censored:

Thank you! This is something that goes way over the head of many people on this forum.

:yay:
 
Why would you bother trapping a Proteron when its not hard to, a) team hunt or b) solo. I never had issues soloing proterons in the past, why bother trapping them?

I'm glad this issue is being made public, because people cheating in the game are also cheating the rest of us. :censored:

It's mostly 60-100k skilled players that do this I guess. No need for higher skilled players with the right equipment to bother as you say.

reducing cost (armor/fap) maybe :confused:

Yep, I'd say so. And since the decay cost can be pretty substantial for a low...ish-level player there is certainly peds to be saved. Nevertheless, it's still stealing.
 
.... Havnt some people realised exploiting is like shooting yourself in the foot... Each time MAs fixes are 10times worse then what we had b4
 
Since lately seems that even login in is an exploit of the system, have you considered that the mediocrity of the coders might be an exploit to us paying costumers?
 
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Since lately seems that even login in is an exploit of the system, have you considered that the mediocrity of the coders might be an exploit to us paying costumers?

You are accepting a tou each time you log in that written in such a way it has to be nothing short of a miracle the police havnt arrested MA for breaking Swedish consumer rights and you worry about beeing exploited? .. Too late

I brought up the tou in a support case and MA went shutter island denial on my ass and told me to F off
 
Doesn't it all boil down to a simple question?

Why are they even doing this?

Just because those mobs are likely to hand out ridiculous high loots.

Balance the loot towards more input ~ output and you would have solved two problems. People trying to cheat to hunt a mob and people have less to worry they will miss out because a cheater got such high loot.

Besides the fact, that people also exploiting Levis in a similar way, 2+ Levis stacked over one another hardly hit you without getting stuck at all. When I discovered this I stopped hunting them and reported it. I always wondered why some people at the Levi grounds where shooting two or three Levis and then swam around for while before starting to kill one. Many times I got shot on sight from some green dots on screen, which made me wonder in first place, especially one avatar doing it repeatedly.

Needless to say, MA didn't bother to do anything about it, neither the avatar nor the exploit.
 
Doesn't it all boil down to a simple question?

Why are they even doing this?

Just because those mobs are likely to hand out ridiculous high loots.

Balance the loot towards more input ~ output and you would have solved two problems. People trying to cheat to hunt a mob and people have less to worry they will miss out because a cheater got such high loot.

Besides the fact, that people also exploiting Levis in a similar way, 2+ Levis stacked over one another hardly hit you without getting stuck at all. When I discovered this I stopped hunting them and reported it. I always wondered why some people at the Levi grounds where shooting two or three Levis and then swam around for while before starting to kill one. Many times I got shot on sight from some green dots on screen, which made me wonder in first place, especially one avatar doing it repeatedly.

Needless to say, MA didn't bother to do anything about it, neither the avatar nor the exploit.

right and the first guy with the spider did so well afterwards:beerchug:
 
Sounds like an exploit I discovered about an NI mob back in June, took a bunch of pics and sent to support. Never did check to see if it worked on mobs from other planets.
ANyway to the people calling it a feature, grow up. You want to trap creatures behind rocks and such I know a good game for you, it's called Runescape, has an average player age of 16, if I can remember right that was the standard way of killing creatures.
As for "unreachable" being an exploit against players that MA doesn't compensate for, well, I'm sure if 10ped is a huge sum of ped to you then you have better things to be doing, like getting a job.
 
Why do I even bother...

a cent is a cent and an idiot is an idiot
 
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I believe that there is some good coding and creative talent in MindArk, the real problem is that their staffing resources are stretched way too thin. There simply isn't enough people working at MA to address all of the issues and development priorities. Its easy to say that MA needs to hire more people but the fact is, like most companies, MindArk's payroll is probably one of their largest expenses, if not the largest. Plus, when someone new is hired, it (for a time) depletes the existing resources because one or more people have to take time out to train that person. That time could otherwise be spent on coding, problem solving, or innovating. Hiring new quality people isn’t easy and its not cheap.

The bottom line is that EU needs to grow in order for MA to be able to justify increasing their staffing levels. If nothing is done about people who exploit it discourages the ones who play fairly. As a result some may play/deposit less, or even stop, others will quit and withdraw. Then, of the people who continue their game play, a continuously increasing percentage will utilize exploits, and if left unchecked will become common place. Because EU is a Real Cash Economy, that cant be allowed to happen because the game economy would spiral down.

So obviously MindArk has to do something as they are the company that owns the “game”. If the company is unwilling or unable to solve the problem in a satisfactory or expedient way, do we the players then have the obligation to help? In the ToU, the Rules of Conduct say “You must immediately report errors and bugs in the Entropia Universe...” so clearly MindArk thinks we need to be helping them, actually they try to require it of us. If we care about the future of EU, then I think that we should be helping. A more active role can be taken though.

We need to be sending screen shots, video, etc to MindArk but we can do more then that. We can actively go out looking for these people, identify their exploits, catch them in the act, and then report that to MA. We can PK them, we can mob train them, and we can Kill Steal from them... Of course if you take it to that level then you need to be certain the people involved are actually cheating.

There already are groups and individuals in EU who spend some of their game time rooting out and combating scammers and exploiters. Many of us view EU as a “strategic war game” and I'm not talking about PvP. I'm talking about providing MA with enough definitive information to achieve an account lock and IP ban for the individual(s) or driving that person or group out of EU altogether. Naturally some people wont go down without a fight.
 
Another Expoit

you can hunt the biggest prot whit a team of three and almost never get hit

use you brain shoot and run

2 shoot on runs taking there turn if this is not aloud

make cement shoe when hunting so you can move

You better watch out, thats called the "Smarter than Mob" exploit and HW might turn u in.. lol
 
I believe that there is some good coding and creative talent in MindArk, the real problem is that their staffing resources are stretched way too thin. There simply isn't enough people working at MA to address all of the issues and development priorities. Its easy to say that MA needs to hire more people but the fact is, like most companies, MindArk's payroll is probably one of their largest expenses, if not the largest. Plus, when someone new is hired, it (for a time) depletes the existing resources because one or more people have to take time out to train that person. That time could otherwise be spent on coding, problem solving, or innovating. Hiring new quality people isn’t easy and its not cheap.

The bottom line is that EU needs to grow in order for MA to be able to justify increasing their staffing levels. If nothing is done about people who exploit it discourages the ones who play fairly. As a result some may play/deposit less, or even stop, others will quit and withdraw. Then, of the people who continue their game play, a continuously increasing percentage will utilize exploits, and if left unchecked will become common place. Because EU is a Real Cash Economy, that cant be allowed to happen because the game economy would spiral down.

So obviously MindArk has to do something as they are the company that owns the “game”. If the company is unwilling or unable to solve the problem in a satisfactory or expedient way, do we the players then have the obligation to help? In the ToU, the Rules of Conduct say “You must immediately report errors and bugs in the Entropia Universe...” so clearly MindArk thinks we need to be helping them, actually they try to require it of us. If we care about the future of EU, then I think that we should be helping. A more active role can be taken though.

We need to be sending screen shots, video, etc to MindArk but we can do more then that. We can actively go out looking for these people, identify their exploits, catch them in the act, and then report that to MA. We can PK them, we can mob train them, and we can Kill Steal from them... Of course if you take it to that level then you need to be certain the people involved are actually cheating.

There already are groups and individuals in EU who spend some of their game time rooting out and combating scammers and exploiters. Many of us view EU as a “strategic war game” and I'm not talking about PvP. I'm talking about providing MA with enough definitive information to achieve an account lock and IP ban for the individual(s) or driving that person or group out of EU altogether. Naturally some people wont go down without a fight.

Fuck all that...Do they send us roses when they screw us in the ass?

I'm the goddam customer.

MA can kiss my grits, Flo.











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I'm the goddam customer.


Tippin'


Do you really think that matters? The customer is not always right. Bloody sense of entitlement from my generation is starting to get embarrassing.

Why do I even bother...

a cent is a cent and an idiot is an idiot

If a penny is that important to you go pick up cans and bottles in the ditch.
 
Fuck all that...Do they send us roses when they screw us in the ass?

I'm the goddam customer.

MA can kiss my grits, Flo.


Tippin'

if you can find one part of the ToU that is in any way beneficial or protective for the consumer.. then... then you faked it :laugh:
 
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