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MA is not a casino... proof

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alh said:
But would it then still be "perlin noise", and not just "addition of two sub-sampled and interpolated 2D digital signals"? ;)
And what to use as input then... hmm.. maybe a picture of marco :laugh:

No, I'll get off your back, just don't want you to make the common mistake to think that "random" in computer science is the same as "true random" in nature. "truly random" is impossible to implement in a computer. You have to make due with a special type of hash function with the same size input as output, and run it over and over again.
Its fully deterministic, and not strictly random, just random enough for all practical purposes...
What you do to make it "unpredictable" is to seed it with some real-life values, like user activity and time of day...

And, from a game design point of view, thats useful to know, because it means you can make "randomly generated" levels, that still is possible to re-create exactly each time... just save the seed used to create it... 4 bytes of data for a really complex level! (well, maybe a few more parameters ;))

(and also, it complicates all discussions of "gambling"... :silly2:)
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hehe i understand what you mean :p But what i'm after is to feed the function so you get a certain pattern sort of :)
 
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EU is Gambling.
 
From average players POV EU is pretty much gambling. But when you start looking deeper, its not random.
 
Joker said:
i would guess the same reason other games that are monthly fee and no chance to profit from are... character growth... entertainment... friends... the list goes on...
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you don't really believe this shit do you?

The reason it is addictive is the pursuit of riches...

Gamble $5 on a hunt in hopes to hit an ATH of $5000

gambling ftw!
 
Zib Black Onyx said:
you don't really believe this shit do you?

The reason it is addictive is the pursuit of riches...

Gamble $5 on a hunt in hopes to hit an ATH of $5000

gambling ftw!
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I am addicted. I am not in pursuit of riches. If I was, I might find some form of casino and play it. This is entertainment.

If you want gambling, there are pleny of sites you could try.
 
Zib Black Onyx said:
you don't really believe this shit do you?

The reason it is addictive is the pursuit of riches...

Gamble $5 on a hunt in hopes to hit an ATH of $5000

gambling ftw!
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maybe u are addicted for this reason but for me this isnt the case
 
About the game not being a casino, i dug up this ancient post with a comment from Marco:

Marco|FPC said:
* What makes EU not a casino or not gambling? What odds are we playing against?
I don't want to know how the loot system works so don't tell me you cannot reveal sensitive game information.

In the Entropia Universe you develop your avatar by gaining skills, which have a value. Skills are gained through usage, and are not based on loot.
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So there you go. Q.E.D.
:)
 
Can also be hard to gamble if u never put money in as many do... It's a game of odds, if u wanna classify it as gambling go for it. But to me it's beyond that. There are odds in everything, if ur smart u can make them favour u more than others. But to me it's playing a game and i have many times walked away even for 6 months to take care of things and come bk, so i think some people think we're all weak minded and slaves because THEY have addictive or gambling-type personalities.

Well, someone with such a personality will find gambles and drugs in everything, so don't throw em all in the same bunch.
 
Joker said:
and this is an average... some people may choose to only hunt big game mobs... which may increase their odds at being outside of these parameters... but if most hunt with in their means... they should definatly be in the places i said...

and of course mining... if you only mind CND... with fatty amps... u will probably prove it wrong... but i havent given a mining global chart YET
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ok i sort of agree with you EU is not a casino as a casino has poker blackjack etc EU dosent...

but EU is a form of gambling as soon as you use the word odds your gambling you depo or sweet for the peds then you choose what you want to do wether its hunting mining crafting trading and no matter what skills equipment you have every time you head out to do what ever it is its a gamble on the loot your going to get or not get so EU is basicly the same as a casino.. you both put money into it and the house always wins except for those few lucky peeps but in saying that they are very different but they are the same..

and this hunting more thing is crap the more i hunt the more i loose so your wrong there.. i can hunt the same thing as anyone else they can global every 5 mins where as i get crap nadda so i think all the research you have done was really a waste of your time .. thats my 2 peds

Bilko

P.s Q. what do you do when you go to a casino place bets (gambling) yes ? when you play EU and what activity you choose to do is a gamble yes ? it has to be cause you do not know for sure if your going to get that hof ath glob.. so peeps loose like in a casino and what do they do when they loose they put more money in hence the peeps calling EU a casino.. (HOUSE ALWAYS WINS)
thats another 2 peds .. now where my hof ? lmao
Bilko
 
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The problem is most of you guys don't realize that those 10% loss per run is what feeds the hofs which in turn eventually come around to u. Thing is most pay too much in extra costs to get there trying to FORCE a hof. Example: feff/trox hunting with korss400s and lvl 10 evader decked out in ghost...

When the big uber hofs hit they generally put anyone who didn't play ridiculously expensive into the green or at least near it. But everyone expects to spend 2k ped and nail a 10k hof while maybe 30-40 ped each hunt was thrown directly into armor decay or fap decay hunting things they shouldn't be hunting. A few hunts later they wasted an entire hunt's worth of extra ammo with decay.

I recently helped 2 people change their strategy, both have already hit a 900 ped hof and a 1.5k hof respectively... one person not having hoffed in 3 yrs. This is within less than 1 month of doing what i suggested btw. So it's not all just randomness and PURE luck. There ofc is a large degree of it, but it's not why some people succeed and others don't consistantly.
 
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Legion said:
that still does not make it not into a casino though. Read what i posted above and you will know why it's not a casino.
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You may be right that MA is not a casino if you look at the law, but what about their "dynamic" and "balance" as if one user in the right way can be much more dangerous because is not random, but gives the company opportunity to to what they want. and how theay want.

In this way, they need not worry about the chance to control the game but in all ----> including who should get what, or what avatar or soc will be in winning circle this time without the game's standards.
 
instead of odds maybe a better word i should have chosen was ability... interchange the word ability :) i think that is a better word for what i was trying to convey
 
Alright then, it isn't JUST a casino, but it can still be used as one.

So it's NOT a casino, but you can still go in there and gamble.

How's that?
 
Joker said:
instead of odds maybe a better word i should have chosen was ability... interchange the word ability :) i think that is a better word for what i was trying to convey
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EU is not a casino but EU is still a form of gambling and you can not say it is not if you do you need a :facepalm: lol where ever money is involved there is a gamble you have to admit that.. just because marco or any other FPC/ MA worker will tell you what ever .. have you ever been into a dressshop and got a suit eg you try the suit on they tell you that it looks good etc etc etc they will tell you anything to sell that item whats different from EU ? HELLO any body home ? and as i said why the peeeps call EU a Casino its cause you put money in and lose it over and over and over CAUSE the HOUSE always WINS... you might get a win here or there but in the end who wins ?..........

Bilko

ever here a policeman being called a pig ?
there not pigs but they get called pigs
same as EU being called a casino
 
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To me, EU is not a casino.
But I guess it depends how you define "casino", and why you are playing. (So many different ways and reasons for playing)

Casino is a place where gambling is the primary activity, imo. Gambling is:
Wikipedia said:
Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period.
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With the above definition, it doesn't sound like EU is gambling.

But if you define casino as a place where gambling can take place, and you define gambling as any activity where chance affecting costs/or gains in money, then surely EU can be defined as a casino.

(But then taking a job where part of your salary is based on things you're not 100% in control of, would be defined as gambling too.)

All a matter of definitions, I guess.
 
Gambling: An activity characterised by a balance between winning and losing that is governed by a mixture of skill and chance

Gambling doesn't have to be completely random.
Compare soccer graphs and they will also show you patterns if you look untill your vision is impaired.
 
psychnosiz said:
Gambling: An activity characterised by a balance between winning and losing that is governed by a mixture of skill and chance
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That's a very wide definition, which might make EU gambling.

But it will also make owning/running a business gambling. A loads of other things.
 
Joker said:
see so it isnt a casino!
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Originally Posted by Marco|FPC

* What makes EU not a casino or not gambling? What odds are we playing against?
I don't want to know how the loot system works so don't tell me you cannot reveal sensitive game information.

In the Entropia Universe you develop your avatar by gaining skills, which have a value. Skills are gained through usage, and are not based on loot.




Ok..What can i see off the text here that your gaining off skills is no "luck" it is a static growth as you can see --- the more you skill the more skills you getting and the Skills has a specific value ---> the more you skill the more you get.
Here you dont have any luck the more you skill the more you get and to skill cost money so if you want much skills you have to depo much money but you are getting more back.
So there is no problem whit that.

But what about the rest ----> You have to be at the right time,place and kill the right mob to get something,,,thats pure luck.
No can say because you killed 100000 Atrox you will get more for it or if you only had killed 100 Atrox only thing is for sure that your ability to hit the right Atrox is bigger because you had killd so many more and this part is pure casino or lottery because it hard to see it in other way.


Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period.

So you see all game is a casino with one exception your skills and MA do the best all time to do lots off nerf on the skills and tryes them to be less valuable.
 
valentin said:
Originally Posted by Marco|FPC

* What makes EU not a casino or not gambling? What odds are we playing against?
I don't want to know how the loot system works so don't tell me you cannot reveal sensitive game information.

In the Entropia Universe you develop your avatar by gaining skills, which have a value. Skills are gained through usage, and are not based on loot.




Ok..What can i see off the text here that your gaining off skills is no "luck" it is a static growth as you can see --- the more you skill the more skills you getting and the Skills has a specific value ---> the more you skill the more you get.
Here you dont have any luck the more you skill the more you get and to skill cost money so if you want much skills you have to depo much money but you are getting more back.
So there is no problem whit that.

But what about the rest ----> You have to be at the right time,place and kill the right mob to get something,,,thats pure luck.
No can say because you killed 100000 Atrox you will get more for it or if you only had killed 100 Atrox only thing is for sure that your ability to hit the right Atrox is bigger because you had killd so many more and this part is pure casino or lottery because it hard to see it in other way.


Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period.

So you see all game is a casino with one exception your skills and MA do the best all time to do lots off nerf on the skills and tryes them to be less valuable.
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As far as i know skillgain is diffrent for each ava, so even that isn't consistant like some say...
get good loot, skill more, get more good loot.. viscous circle
 
das said:
As far as i know skillgain is diffrent for each ava, so even that isn't consistant like some say...
get good loot, skill more, get more good loot.. viscous circle
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Yes it is more skilling = more skills---> Not lottery
More hunting is not = more loot ---> Yes lottery

And if you getting the money from to be lucky att the lottey thats one thing but still more skilling more skills that you know but you wount ever know if more hunting gives more loot.
 
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