Mental disorder

[xaph]

Here are some links below to play with
Not all are great but may lead to something you need
Google is your friend

http://www.actmhcn.org.au/cms/
http://healthguide.co.uk/mentalhealth.html
http://www.mentalhealthguide.co.uk/

Help for family and friends ( may be some form of this in your country)
http://www.arafmi.org/

General:
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/

Depression:
http://www.beyondblue.org.au
http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/

Borderline personality disorder:
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-pe05.html

Bipolar disorder: (often confused by those with borderline personality disorder as their diagnosis due to mood fluctuations...a matter of other diagnostics by a profession to determine that!):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-md02.html
http://mayoclinic.com/health/bipolar-disorder/DS00356
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/bipolar-disorder/complete-index.shtml

Schizophrenia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/schizophrenia.html

Therapies for disorders of personality:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy

Wider info and diagnostic stuff.
http://www.psychiatryonline.com/index.aspx
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders

 

[Shew]

If you take someone who is depressed and measure their seretonin levels against a "normal" person then they are low, true. However, what you're arguing is that the low level of serotonin causes the depression, but there's also evidence to support the idea that the low level of seretonin is a symptom of the depression and comes afterwards and is not the initial cause.

This is an accurate point, and one of much discussion on the topic of the cause of depression. It is common belief that the chemical inbalance is a result of the brains reaction to emotional stressors or brain injury. The result is a "depressed" state or in other words diminished state where the brain has a harder time functioning.

A common treatment of depression is to treat with medication to balance the brain chemicals in order that counseling or other treatment can help a person to work through the emotional issues that may have initially caused the depression.

Focusing on what came first the chemical inbalance or the "depression" is like focusing on what came first, the chicken or the egg.

 

[gwit]

lol yeah, my disorder is probably called "total unwillingness to care".

edit: there's probably some more scientific name to it, but i don't care what it is.

Love it

 

[Hurrikane]

Originally Posted by Drave Robber
lol yeah, my disorder is probably called "total unwillingness to care".

edit: there's probably some more scientific name to it, but i don't care what it is.

Sounds like nihilism to me

I truly think everyone has a mental disorder of some kind. Everyone is different, there is no "normal". Whenever we say "I don't understand why people think that way/do that/are like that", we are saying they have a mental state different to ours.

For my part, hmm... Insomniac, a chronic lack of urgency, despair bordering on depression over the futility of hope for the masses, self-doubt, feelings of guilt over wasted time, deep cynicism, both superiority and inferiority complexes, and a dangerous and destructive libido.
However, also madly in love (the best mental disorder there is) so none of that matters a shit

Hurrikane

 

[Hurrikane]

its called pothead, no?

Nope, that's just someone who's found the second-best cure for all the above.

Hurrikane

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

Sounds like nihilism to me

I truly think everyone has a mental disorder of some kind. Everyone is different, there is no "normal". Whenever we say "I don't understand why people think that way/do that/are like that", we are saying they have a mental state different to ours.

For my part, hmm... Insomniac, a chronic lack of urgency, despair bordering on depression over the futility of hope for the masses, self-doubt, feelings of guilt over wasted time, deep cynicism, both superiority and inferiority complexes, and a dangerous and destructive libido.
However, also madly in love (the best mental disorder there is) so none of that matters a shit

Hurrikane

Apparently you don't know nor can you imagine the pain, agony, despair and sorrow some experience. When I cut myself I feel relieved, pain doesn't hurt when it is what you have felt all your life.
Luckily I find out not to long ago that there actually are genuine good people as well, I didn't know, there are, but I did not met them up until now.
Try to imagine you are in a nightmare and you can't wake up, then try to call it, well we are all the same, look at me I got insomnia I know your feelings fu

 

[Skam]

Apparently you don't know nor can you imagine the pain, agony, despair and sorrow some experience. When I cut myself I feel relieved, pain doesn't hurt when it is what you have felt all your life.
Luckily I find out not to long ago that there actually are genuine good people as well, I didn't know, there are, but I did not met them up until now.
Try to imagine you are in a nightmare and you can't wake up, then try to call it, well we are all the same, look at me I got insomnia I know your feelings fu

You're overreacting. He didnt claim to know how you felt, he said everyone got their issues and "normal" doesnt exist. Not the same.

But I gotta say one thing in response to this aswell.
Do not fall into the trap of thinking nobody knows how you feel. Attacking or distancing yourself from people you prematurely judge because you dont think they can possibly feel like you, will only result in you digging yourself deeper into your social anxiety.

Even if they dont know, does not mean that they want you harm, and it does not mean they cannot imagine that it is no good way to live. But you have no way of knowing. Because we cannot see how others feel. And most dont talk about it either.

 

[bizarrick]

Ah... Skam, you just hit the nail.

That's exactly what's wrong with Kiriku, he's got serious perception and anger problems. That's why he's being treated right now.

Overreacting and slightly paranoid thoughts are but a few of his symptoms.

I believe he said in his first post that he suffered from Social Anxiety Disorder and Avoidant Personality Disorder.

 

[Shew]

You're overreacting. He didnt claim to know how you felt, he said everyone got their issues and "normal" doesnt exist. Not the same.

But I gotta say one thing in response to this aswell.
Do not fall into the trap of thinking nobody knows how you feel. Attacking or distancing yourself from people you prematurely judge because you dont think they can possibly feel like you, will only result in you digging yourself deeper into your social anxiety.

Even if they dont know, does not mean that they want you harm, and it does not mean they cannot imagine that it is no good way to live. But you have no way of knowing. Because we cannot see how others feel. And most dont talk about it either.

Unfortunately that is another issue. When someone is in the middle of shit, they may tend to overreact in the point of view from someone not in the shit. It's like being in a storm with no visability. People on the outside can see clearly, and certainly see things differently than someone inside the storm.

It's a perspective issue, you may not see things the way someone in the middle of strife does, nor do they see the way you may.

Is someone in the wrong? No, but if a person is in calm waters, try to be compasionate of someone in over their head.

 

[Hurrikane]

Apparently you don't know nor can you imagine the pain, agony, despair and sorrow some experience. When I cut myself I feel relieved, pain doesn't hurt when it is what you have felt all your life.
Luckily I find out not to long ago that there actually are genuine good people as well, I didn't know, there are, but I did not met them up until now.
Try to imagine you are in a nightmare and you can't wake up, then try to call it, well we are all the same, look at me I got insomnia I know your feelings fu

My oldest friend (30 years) is a manic depressive with suicidal tendencies who has been sectioned (sent to a care facility) several times as well as voluntary visits, mostly due to abuse-trauma as a child/adolescent. It took finding out about his problems to realise saying "cheer up, pull yourself together" are worthless words to those who are suffering this way. All I was saying is that normal doesn't exist (thank you Skam) as a way of maybe helping those who strive for a fictional condition. Your problems sound terrible, I'm no psychologist, just someone who doesn't like to see people in pain. Whatever the causes or "cures" are for everyone's afflictions I don't pretend to know, just trying to be nice and let you know there's a lot of doubt and sadness in peoples minds. Sorry if you took it as belittling your problems, not my intention. Glad to see you've found people who can help, hope your situation improves. When you ask the public for opinions on a private matter don't be surprised if their responses are not what you sought.

Hurrikane

 

[dj.]

Apparently you don't know nor can you imagine the pain, agony, despair and sorrow some experience. When I cut myself I feel relieved, pain doesn't hurt when it is what you have felt all your life.
Luckily I find out not to long ago that there actually are genuine good people as well, I didn't know, there are, but I did not met them up until now.
Try to imagine you are in a nightmare and you can't wake up, then try to call it, well we are all the same, look at me I got insomnia I know your feelings fu

Im sorry for your pain.

But bloody hell, piss off from this forum and post somewhere else!

Jesus Wept, my child reaches 13 soon, and loves EU, no way I want her reading this crap, not now, not ever.

Not sure your problems belong here, sorry, get help etc.. but on a gaming forum?

Please, just no, go somewhere else.

I hope to God someone locks this thread, what Ive read here is beyong what I expect!

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

You are right Dj, it was not my intention to get personal, its about exposing and comparing. Can't help that I got lured into an inappropriate discussion. It feels warm that at least some know and understand, don't be mad I'll be silent

 

[dj.]

You are right Dj, it was not my intention to get personal, its about exposing and comparing. Can't help that I got lured into an inappropriate discussion. It feels warm that at least some know and understand, don't be mad I'll be silent

I know, Im a grown woman of 37, Ive heard it all, seen it all.

I also can sympathise!

I would rather you didnt suffer like this

But as a mother with a young child, that will want to game, look at EF.. I dont want you mentioning cutting your-self!

Theres better forums equiped to advise also, and I hope they do.

Not sure how much I have to kick off here to get this thread stopped?

I want it locked.

omg I swear sometimes, but again, your swear ALOT, I dont want my kid thinking its cool

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

I changed my mind, allow me to explain later.
Need to go to school first for exams

 

[Skam]

Unfortunately that is another issue. When someone is in the middle of shit, they may tend to overreact in the point of view from someone not in the shit. It's like being in a storm with no visability. People on the outside can see clearly, and certainly see things differently than someone inside the storm.

It's a perspective issue, you may not see things the way someone in the middle of strife does, nor do they see the way you may.

Is someone in the wrong? No, but if a person is in calm waters, try to be compasionate of someone in over their head.

Um, you think I dont know that?
Im not even quite sure what made you answer my post with this.

However the last thing a person with mental disorders really need is people who just pity them and go along saying "you're right, you're sad. Im sorry" and thats that. That might be what they want, at times.
What they need however is people who can (and dares to) tell them when their mind is pulling tricks on them, when they are overreacting, or to follow your "stormy weather" analogy: How to navigate the boat.

 

[Oracle]

Kiriku maybe you ought to start a social group to discuss this subject amongst others who have or have had similar problems?

It could become a sort of support group and a way of sharing knowledge and coping strategies?

Alternatively feel free to join and post in this one and I'll throw in some of my experiences:

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/groups/children++malkav-49-children++malkav.html

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

No not at all,
What I think.. this thread is not about me, yes the last few post are about me. this thread is for people who have a disorder, and this is to share their experiance on the effects in gaming and fora. It is in the "Non EU Related > Off topic >"
I do not want any pity or sorry's from anyone, it IS however nice to know that some people understand so you do not feel as a loner as first.
This thread is not as therapy or anything else.

DJ"
I know, Im a grown woman of 37, Ive heard it all, seen it all.
-Great for you
Jesus Wept, my child reaches 13 soon, and loves EU, no way I want her reading this crap, not now, not ever.
-What kind of mother are you, allowing a 13 year old into a gambling game? Can't you see the effect on the long term? Let him play wow, much more healthy than seeing people spending thousands and thousands of dollars on virtual items, thinking its normal. Find another peergroup in sake of you child.


I do think quite a few people find this thread interesting enough to let it open for everyones vision and feedback. It would be ashame if a paranoid mother would cause a seize on that don't you think?

Afaik EU/EF is a MATURE community, and I am sorry for you if the internet freaks you out.. there lurks evil everywhere, its good being protective, but don't shut someones eyes completely so when the eyes open they get blinded.

So one message if you don't like it...
STAY OUT

And I'm not it...

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

Kiriku maybe you ought to start a social group to discuss this subject amongst others who have or have had similar problems?

Thank you for your input. I am adverse towards social groups, it would totally miss the intention.
Social groups are not found, only pointed out.
I think the off topic part is the right echelon of the forum since it got moved from general after a hijack

 

[Oracle]

Thank you for your input. I am adverse towards social groups, it would totally miss the intention.
Social groups are not found, only pointed out.
I think the off topic part is the right echelon of the forum since it got moved from general after a hijack

Ah OK, fair enough.

I might still comment further on the issues raised in this thread though I fear it will soon be locked when WW3 breaks out shortly.

 

[Droops]

I do think quite a few people find this thread interesting enough to let it open for everyones vision and feedback.

Do they

 

[Shew]

Um, you think I dont know that?
Im not even quite sure what made you answer my post with this.

However the last thing a person with mental disorders really need is people who just pity them and go along saying "you're right, you're sad. Im sorry" and thats that. That might be what they want, at times.
What they need however is people who can (and dares to) tell them when their mind is pulling tricks on them, when they are overreacting, or to follow your "stormy weather" analogy: How to navigate the boat.

Skam, you are absolutely correct, in this post. They don't need someone enabling them, but somone willing to help them.

From your previous post the first thing stated was "you're overreacting." Even though a person may be, that sets the tone for what's to follow. Although a person "in their right mind" may take it appropriately, someone with tainted understanding may not. It could put them on the defensive and basically mute anything said after that point.

Although I do agree with the rest of what you said, I wanted to point out what a person in the storm would key in on.

A person with "issues" tends to be withdrawn and not too trusting. Criticizing before the explanation doesn't help. Explaining before the criticism is easier taken.

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

Shew very wise words indeed!
You are a good communicator

 

[Hurrikane]

This thread is not as therapy or anything else.

DJ"
I know, Im a grown woman of 37, Ive heard it all, seen it all.
-Great for you
Jesus Wept, my child reaches 13 soon, and loves EU, no way I want her reading this crap, not now, not ever.

-What kind of mother are you, allowing a 13 year old into a gambling game? Can't you see the effect on the long term? Let him play wow, much more healthy than seeing people spending thousands and thousands of dollars on virtual items, thinking its normal. Find another peergroup in sake of you child.


I do think quite a few people find this thread interesting enough to let it open for everyones vision and feedback. It would be ashame if a paranoid mother would cause a seize on that don't you think?

Afaik EU/EF is a MATURE community, and I am sorry for you if the internet freaks you out.. there lurks evil everywhere, its good being protective, but don't shut someones eyes completely so when the eyes open they get blinded.

So one message if you don't like it...
STAY OUT

And I'm not it...

Firstly, don't call a mother paranoid beause she objects to you unloading your personal baggage in a gaming forum. Secondly, if this thread was not therapy for you, what is it? Attention-seeking? There are many people with problems, worse or less than yours. They tend to go to sites dedicated to those issues.

I have sympathy for your problems but who do you think you are?

Hurrikane

 

[Oracle]

OK some snippets from me regarding the positives and negatives of EU and its impact on my mental health:

+ EU provided a much needed distraction/hobby at a time when I was thinking lots of negative stuff

+ bonus was the in-game socialisation and the opportunity to experiment with alternative identities (albeit virtual ones but nonetheless somehow feeding back in some way to one's real-life self...not sure what I mean, maybe giving new personal insights)

+ socialisation enhanced by this forum which allows more in-depth converations, getting to know EU people better as well as being able to just have a laugh etc posting frivolous stuff.

- the negative side for me is the amount of money I've spent in EU which to me proves that I MUST HAVE BEEN OUT OF MY TINY FREAKIN' MIND!

- also, if you're the introverted type who avoids socialising I'm not sure that sat at a PC for hours on end is the best way to deal with it (OK it is in my case coz I hate people in general)

- as for negative posts...I think everyone builds up negative stress all the time and forums are somehow the ideal place to dump all your crap onto someone else to make you feel better (avoid doing this if possible though coz it's annoying)

I'll just add something about depression: when someone is clinically depressed it alters one's perception to such a degree that the person often believes, no they are certain, they will always be in that (bloody awful) depressed condition.

This, I believe, is probably why depression can lead to suicides: because the depressive cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel.

I've added the above comments on depression in case anyone is caring for a depressed person and may find it helpful.

Depression is a mind/brain whose bio-chemical make-up has gone out of balance and this clinical condition has no connection with being a bit down or fed-up, that kind of low mood which is sometimes wrongly termed depression.

 

[dj.]

-What kind of mother are you, allowing a 13 year old into a gambling game?

Please dont advice me on motherhood, because I wouldnt listen to some messed up retard that likes to cut themselves like you, for a start.

If I chose to take my daughter on a hunting trip and provide armor, gun, ammo, I think thats fine for an hour, I would never let her play alone.

I also think just as well, knowing people like you are out there.

If you stopped sitting at your pc so much and actually had social interaction, you might be able to deal with your issues.

Sitting here, divulging your-self in all your messed up ways isnt the answer.

Using EF as an outlet, and crying for attention is also not the answer.

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

Ill just ignore your message.
Please stay on topic

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

OK some snippets from me regarding the positives and negatives of EU and its impact on my mental health:

+ EU provided a much needed distraction/hobby at a time when I was thinking lots of negative stuff

+ bonus was the in-game socialisation and the opportunity to experiment with alternative identities (albeit virtual ones but nonetheless somehow feeding back in some way to one's real-life self...not sure what I mean, maybe giving new personal insights)

+ socialisation enhanced by this forum which allows more in-depth converations, getting to know EU people better as well as being able to just have a laugh etc posting frivolous stuff.


Depression is a mind/brain whose bio-chemical make-up has gone out of balance and this clinical condition has no connection with being a bit down or fed-up, that kind of low mood which is sometimes wrongly termed depression.

Indeed the social part is very important, if you compare a MMO with a single player game then you can see it clearly =)
There is a a saying though, which you might want to keep in mind when playing:"Game winner, life looser" there is some truth in there.
Timesink and addiction is best combined in a MMO, its called hardcore =) Been there done that, won't do it ever again..

And about the depression, yes well depression is pretty severe.
I mentioned somewhere in this thread already. As far as I know shock-therapy works best as a remedy. Also counseling and psychofarmaca can have a positive effect.
It depends on what causes the depression. Perhaps the sitiuation triggered it or a sudden imbalance.

 

[Oracle]

As far as I know shock-therapy works best as a remedy.

Surely nobody still uses that 'treatment' today?

If so got to be a last resort, too brutal and nobody sure how it worked, if indeed it did coz it often didn't, and side effects such as memory loss.

I doubt it's used in UK anyway, counselling coupled with medication yes.

 

[Kiriku Surgun]

Oh nasty, I did not know that it was like that I pictured something totally different.
Also I read something somewhere about a pill that should erase your 'bad' memories... I'll try to find the article again and post it if I find it

Its not about depresion:

Substances which the brains are created (or cannabinoids anandamide) erase unpleasant memories, research shows. This provides a new tool in the hands from serious anxiety disorders. The effects of these substances similar to those of cannabis.

From animal studies showing that mice in whom the cannabinoids do not operate shocking events can not forget.

Drugs that stimulate the production of cannabinoids could help people with a posttraumatic stress disorder through which many fear is associated.

A joint effect could not readily available. Soft gives different but similar effects, such as changes in memory and pain reduction.

Some patients with anxiety disorders even discovered that cannabis is against the fear. "There are indications that many people with psychiatric disorders in the early stages of their illness to cannabis use. Perhaps a form of self: they seize cannabis to their extreme fears a bit away. "

 

[Oracle]

Also I read something somewhere about a pill that should erase your 'bad' memories... I'll try to find the article again and post it if I find it

LOL no please don't, that sounds just as bad!

Bad memories are part of life, it's how you deal with them that's important.

Basically I only mentioned the bit about depression because it's a subject I feel strongly about (in my experience even some mental health professionals have little understanding of the condition and are therefore next to useless in helping).

So I'm just trying to put my own perspective on this illness from personal experience as well as some academic knowledge of depression and abnormal psychology in general.

Anything I post will be aimed at trying to help sufferers or their carers but I don't really want to go into a debate about text book definitions of depression or similar illnesses nor standard therapies...I think discussing depression in terms of emotions and personal experiences is more helpful together with helping to build an understanding how to cope.