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R4tt3xx

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The literal mining system is not good at the moment. Goto location A, find claim, follow vein till in depletes, wait for respawn, repeat...

Boring AS F
 
Alina said:
there are no more veins, stop living in 2004 :D
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The veins just have variable length, depends on how much output they can deliver. You just have to wait for them to replenish.
 
TheOneOmega said:
Anyone care to explain the concept of the mining vein mechanic? I'm new to EU just started in 2008.
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en.wikipedia.org

Vein (geology) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Simply put its lines of claims that snake around the map. Oh yea MA, where is Loot 2.0, there is a claim missing from all of my veins that is obviously supposed to be there .......

Basically the mining claims mirror the layout of mobs in an area.
 
Vill said:
Need another theory to explain this case. 😁
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Sorry no, just been busy working on bringing the spiral back with a fresh coat of paint..

PS Open Office filtering is dog turd...
 
(Grid^2/((Grid^2/Diameter^2)*(Hitrate%/100)))^(1/2) = Perfect Gap between claims... If uniformly distributed...

Perfect X = int(X Coord/Gap)*Gap
Perfect Y = int(Y Coord/Gap)*Gap

Prove me wrong...
 
R4tt3xx said:
Prove me wrong...
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Any mentor >level 30 mining who constant run giga markup every month.Basic carpet mining in high markup area, ez grind, ez markup, very very simple.
 
I find it very interesting how each participant has a different view of how this little system works, it's almost like it's tailored to the individual...

Funny that....
 
@ Rattex...
we got here Castanhas, he is a Miner only player with his UL4 amp is bombing all planet...
we got Alina, self mining and self crafting her amps that probably cycles more than Castanhas
if you dont trust them ask to "mos graciu" that is (or at leeast was) top miner in ladder.

since 2017 there is Loot 2.0.... PED IN --> PED OUT about 98% return
as Castanhas says it is August and MU is very low.
No activity in game is a seasonal effect in summer so few resources have MU
that said, mining is a solid MU extraction in normal moments.

Messi said OVER level 30.. it is not casual, at L30 you can use deep-bombing devices for better resource MUs

there is no fibonacci spiral theories, there is no veins (apart those in which circulates alcool more than blood in game)
there is nothing but a RNG generator and some side-side correction routines...
no conspiration theory holds, sorry

go forsaken outpost in NI, move direction 08:00 after 1 km bomb non stop walking, just ore, you will get Dark Lyst
i went there to do NI STEL Mining mission, did it every hour while killing small boars, stable returns (and i am just 28 miner)....
game is not random, all is deception.
 
Msturlese said:
there is nothing but a RNG generator
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First Off... NOPE.....

A RNG generator will use standard distribution, this game's distribution is I think the term is right tailed.. Ah yes here it is ..

"Loot is therefore heavily right-tailed." Pg 11.(Please read the more reading document in my signature) This game cannot use RNG as would need a gambling license in order to do so. The devs have also stated that this is a skill based game which is 100% the case. This game also uses behavioral engineering and AI to look at what players are doing. So if you believe it's random and act like it's random, it will appear random to you. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

Try and exploit a vulnerability in the AI, and eventually it will get patched and yes I have done this. Figure out something that makes sense and the AI increases the difficulty.

Right now I am using a pretty basic cartesian based encoder and seeing how the AI reacts to it. The encoder has a critical flaw in it's design that the data cannot be reversed when encoded. It also has a major characteristic in that the more bits ie the longer the data, the larger the resultant factor.

I was going to call you out and ask for evidence, but I redacted that statement. It is no use arguing about something where an individual's perception can be influenced and after all it's just a video game.
 
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How do most player's mine ... well that is simple (+110m, a derivative of 60 degrees). This is obviously the most "efficient" mining style that players would use.. I call this the polar style for obvious reasons.

Or you could create a grid, simply divide your x and y coordinates by the diameter, grab the closest integer and walk diameter meters.. Creating a cartesian grid..
 
R4tt3xx said:
First Off... NOPE.....

A RNG generator will use standard distribution, this game's distribution is I think the term is right tailed.. Ah yes here it is ..

"Loot is therefore heavily right-tailed." Pg 11.(Please read the more reading document in my signature) This game cannot use RNG as would need a gambling license in order to do so. The devs have also stated that this is a skill based game which is 100% the case. This game also uses behavioral engineering and AI to look at what players are doing. So if you believe it's random and act like it's random, it will appear random to you. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

Try and exploit a vulnerability in the AI, and eventually it will get patched and yes I have done this. Figure out something that makes sense and the AI increases the difficulty.

Right now I am using a pretty basic cartesian based encoder and seeing how the AI reacts to it. The encoder has a critical flaw in it's design that the data cannot be reversed when encoded. It also has a major characteristic in that the more bits ie the longer the data, the larger the resultant factor.

I was going to call you out and ask for evidence, but I redacted that statement. It is no use arguing about something where an individual's perception can be influenced and after all it's just a video game.
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I am writing to myself as I may have been incorrect..

A RND distribution can be right tailed...

Exponential Distribution: This is a right-tailed distribution, where the probability decreases exponentially as the value increases, leading to a long tail on the right.

Poisson Distribution: This can be right-tailed, particularly when the mean rate of occurrence is high. The distribution will have a longer tail on the right as the possible number of events increases.

Log-Normal Distribution : This is a right-tailed distribution, where the tail on the right side is longer due to the skewness introduced by taking the logarithm of a normally distributed variable.

Gamma Distribution (also relevant): This is right-tailed, especially in cases where the shape parameter is small, leading to a pronounced right tail.

I do apologize for my behaviour regarding this matter and ask for your forgiveness.. It looks like I still have a lot to learn..

So of the distributions above, which one is the best match :)
 
Right now, my money is on Poisson. WIth 2 events the probability of an event occurring is .27 or 27%...

I do need to apologize for my rudeness earlier. I really need self control and am working on it..
 
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messi91 said:
I would work on finding competent mentor, forget being rude its harmless anyway.Competence on the other hand , oh boy..
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I have been mining on and off since PE open beta, but there have been major changes since then.

I also understand it from Mindark's side, balancing this game is not going to be easy especially with all the different things I have thrown at the poor game's algorithm.

Currently I am taking a little break from mining actively as it appears that my avatar is experiencing a downswing with regards to returns.

Some days I would swear that this game is more like playing the stock market than an MMO.
 
R4tt3xx said:
I have been mining on and off since PE open beta, but there have been major changes since then.
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You might have but your body language sort to speak tells me you play for at most 3 weeks.Any level 30 miner can guide you through the game 200 times better than you already learned in the past 20 years.
Forget all you "know".Find a good mentor and you will be set free.Chase the markup.
 
This is Entropias version of Harold Camping.


Hilarious
 
R4tt3xx said:
I have been mining on and off since PE open beta, but there have been major changes since then.

I also understand it from Mindark's side, balancing this game is not going to be easy especially with all the different things I have thrown at the poor game's algorithm.

Currently I am taking a little break from mining actively as it appears that my avatar is experiencing a downswing with regards to returns.

Some days I would swear that this game is more like playing the stock market than an MMO.
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I thought I read that you said this is not RNG. If you get downside, means there is a balance. Else, if all unlocked the code, they would suddenly get constant 200% TT return which is impossible. Hence why it is balanced to what ever MindArk have put as long term ,example 95% TT return. Some may get 99, others 89% but all in all, for all players = 95% (just for example).
 
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