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Ma is expecting big amount of new players who will not complain about 2 pec fee for changing the outfit, because they will take it just as a part of the game. They will not complain about anything we do now, because they will know EU as they you have seen it for the first time. Do you remember? New players now do not complain about old gamers had much higher chance to loot rare items then we have now, just because they never experienced it. And what is the best - there is a big chance for MA to implement more "money-sucking" processes before these crowds arrive.

I believe we will experience more new issues with a chance to lose money. There is no reason to keep old and quite effective gamers in game, they are the threat - they can become too effective. It is better to bring new, fresh people, those who do not mind to deposit money to grow up fast and be able to buy good equipment. They will not mind any "2 pec" for wearing the armor, because they will just think it is normal...

I believe we can expect that everything in EU will decay, I mean EVERYTHING.. it is just a chance for MA to make money. And it is not because they are greedy, it is just because it is their business.. We can expect new planets, of course you will need to pay to go there, you will need to pay the fee to sell your stuff there - you will need to pay for anything you will do. With these new people from other countries, MA will have enough cash for next few years.. And you will have the chance to sell all your stuff for decent prices, because you will be OLD and experienced players for all of them...

In summarized way: MA will NOT remove 2 pec fee and other fees because in longer run it would cost them thousands or millions of dollars.

What do you think? Am I right?
 
I think you hit the nail right on the head… :(
 
You think they're prepping to abandon the existing customer base in order to seek out fresh pockets?

I can see how the most recent round of changes would support that as circumstantial evidence.

AG
 
"Abandon existing player base"

... that might be a bit tough, but his suggestion is that they certainly might not be in a position to "need to pay attention to them", given the fact that they might be expecting to have a large insurgence of "freshly clueless meat" to to draw on.

I believe their approach may be flawed, but perhaps from where they sit, they believe they have everything covered already...?
 
Have to agree with you there. Nicely written.

MA need to be careful with how many fees they introduce - because they market the game as free - but as soon as a noob takes off his clothes he finds out it isn't free - he needs to depo 2 pec to put his free clothes back on.

What MA are doing makes perfect sense in a climate where they have no competition - but that won't last long - if MA grow their business it will be noticed by the big corporations - how long before we see MS Entropia or something like it - it could be done quite quickly if the resources were thrown at it - and these big companies could drop a Billion USD into building their own new Virtual World. I think MA believe they have a big headstart - and yes they do - but if MA are running a staff of maybe 70, how fast do you think a major IT or media company could catch up if they put 10,000 programmers on it - not to mention they have enough money to poach the lead programmers from MA. There are two reasons why this could happen:
1) they see potential for big profit
but also another
2) they see that the only way to advertise and communicate with the player base is by owning the Virtual World - I know due to spending an exhorbitant amount of time in EU that I rarely see much other media.

So in summary - I think you are right and have hit the nail on the head as to why MA won't be removing any fees or reversing the decision to add foot guards - but it may not be the right move for the long term prosperity of EU.
 
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Decay

Even MA has decayed although we dont get nay ped for that. MA like all other program makers try to make things look nice and fancy, but still its the same old stuff underneath.
I'm seriously worried about when they will try to implement CRYengine2, that will be something. I do think they should try to fulfill all other promises before. Decay on changing armor sucks as so many pointed out. SO far I have noticed a increase in cost for hunting in VU 9 at about 20-25%. Am I the only who seen that? :handgun:
 
MA dont invest in advertisment , they hope on players so spread the word

If MA actions cause many people to leave, they can have serious problems
getting frech meat
 
Urso said:
MA dont invest in advertisment , they hope on players so spread the word...
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hm, it is not realy true, just think about how many people came to see where is the place, where some people invest $100.000 for buying virtual resort, or an island... there was a big wave of new players after the article in the newspaper... I came to Project Entropia, because there was a CD with the game in one game magazine... now they announced the cooperation with large game network, they are ready to enter China, etc. So they DO advertisement and they do it smart, because it's cheap ;)
 
just ouf of interest

has anyone contacted this chinese and brazilian companies etc yet and told them how MA seems to threaten their customer base?

i guess they would be interested to know how rules are changed all the time ^^
 
yeah I think you're pretty close with that statement..

I've said it before and I'll say it again, MA's loyaty is to the stock holders... not the players.

So ya... good business is good business... that doesn't mean that good business has to befefit the mid-ranged player.

*shrugs*

I don't think MA feels threatened by the efficiant players... those are the select group of ubers ingame and 99% of their profits comes from the other players in the game... not strictly out of MA's pockets.

Really Entropia is and ALWAYS will be desigend to sustain itself. NEVER will they make it possible for more money to be paid out than is brought in.

And to ensure this they try to round out the corners of efficiancy in the game. e.g. nurfing the opalo's amping abilitties.

It's all based off %'s and I could carry on with this topic for a long while but I think this post gets my point across as is :)
 
Prior to this VU the only items that did not decay with use were the clothes you were wearing, and the sofa in your apart that you were sat on.

Both sets of items are not really needed at all in order to be an active member.

I get the suspicion that I will put my hat and coat into storage, and forget about them. I used to wear my hat and coat in towns, and my armour in the wilderness. Now I will just keep my armour on all the time.

If my furniture starts to decay, I will sell it.
 
Urso said:
MA dont invest in advertisment , they hope on players so spread the word
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Known statement : Every satisfied customer spreads the word to 1 or maybe 2 others.

Every customer who is not satisfied spreads the word to at least 8 others !

:wtg:
 
mrerich said:

Ma is expecting big amount of new players who will not complain about 2 pec fee for changing the outfit, because they will take it just as a part of the game. They will not complain about anything we do now, because they will know EU as they you have seen it for the first time. Do you remember? New players now do not complain about old gamers had much higher chance to loot rare items then we have now, just because they never experienced it. And what is the best - there is a big chance for MA to implement more "money-sucking" processes before these crowds arrive.

I believe we will experience more new issues with a chance to lose money. There is no reason to keep old and quite effective gamers in game, they are the threat - they can become too effective. It is better to bring new, fresh people, those who do not mind to deposit money to grow up fast and be able to buy good equipment. They will not mind any "2 pec" for wearing the armor, because they will just think it is normal...

I believe we can expect that everything in EU will decay, I mean EVERYTHING.. it is just a chance for MA to make money. And it is not because they are greedy, it is just because it is their business.. We can expect new planets, of course you will need to pay to go there, you will need to pay the fee to sell your stuff there - you will need to pay for anything you will do. With these new people from other countries, MA will have enough cash for next few years.. And you will have the chance to sell all your stuff for decent prices, because you will be OLD and experienced players for all of them...

In summarized way: MA will NOT remove 2 pec fee and other fees because in longer run it would cost them thousands or millions of dollars.

What do you think? Am I right?
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If they would have done it by reducing the hunt loot return with 2 pec per armor equipped no one would have noticed.

I think that they are dumb :)
 
I think it is true. Get a "little" uproar from the curent players than a huge scandal that could come over 3 years ....


But still that does not make it right ....
 
i think MA prepares to get away from relying to the playerbase as nr1 source of income.. they include more and more e-commerce functionality, and they are almost at a point where they can sell platform-licenses to companies and governments.. they have the advantage above the '2nd ....', that their license-clients could order their own virtual world, which is not so vulnerable to crime and hacking as the other one..
the chinese-deal smells also like that, i don't think the chinese government is interested in running an EU-game. they might be just interested in the platform-tecnology.. they can build their own virtual communities then, and the huge numbers of future participants from the ads all of a sudden seem quite real..
 
Hmmm...they are expecting more people...or are they having trouble covering their costs?

The 2 pec tax does have shades of Superman III written all over it...

So, are *we* paying to fund the development of games in other countries? Did the shoddy programming of this VU refect the divided efforts of developing these other games?
 
Dorsai said:
Prior to this VU the only items that did not decay with use were the clothes you were wearing, and the sofa in your apart that you were sat on.

Both sets of items are not really needed at all in order to be an active member.

I get the suspicion that I will put my hat and coat into storage, and forget about them. I used to wear my hat and coat in towns, and my armour in the wilderness. Now I will just keep my armour on all the time.

If my furniture starts to decay, I will sell it.
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Oh yeah, we did have another tax that we didn't make that big a deal about. The coloring decay/tax. I
 
Exellent post :)
There will be more to come in the futhure for sure :-(
Evaluate, adapt or hm............
 
mrerich said:
In summarized way: MA will NOT remove 2 pec fee and other fees because in longer run it would cost them thousands or millions of dollars.

What do you think? Am I right?
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Three possibilites exist for Mindark which I see as:
a) Maintain position
b) Compromise
c) Relent

I think a compromise is possible, with either a reduction to 1pec (which I dont think anyone would bother about) or the removal of the 2pec fee on armor equipping (keeping it on clothing).

At the end of the day, I suppose it all depends on what happens to the bottom line since VU 9.0 was implemented.
 
I am afraid that the thread starter may be right :( +rep. I was thinking they would reverse course because it doesn't make sense to tick off such a large % of their customer base (which is what players are- customers), but maybe they really are setting up for future, more profitable customers. If so, count me out.
 
I don't think the majority of players who have been around for more than a month really care that the tax is 2 pecs. It's the point of it having been done. It's the principle. This VU was billed as a massive graphics upgrade. All the previews were tied to graphics. When it's rolled out, it's one big tax bill. I live in the U.S. - it's like MA got advice from our Congress on how to sneak a tax in under the guise of something legit. I'd have to change my armor 50 times to lose 1 ped. Not a huge deal. It's the principle of greed that is a kick in the jewels. It's like they're sitting around asking themselves "how can we suck a little more out of these people?" The small amount in inconsequential. The fact that it exists at all is abhorrent.

Gotta' feel bad for those bank owners. They pay $100,000+USD for a bank and MA rolls them out at the same moment they piss off 75% of the active player base. Hope those bank owners didn't need to recoup that investment anytime (soon?).
 
Frigid said:
Hmmm...they are expecting more people...or are they having trouble covering their costs?

The 2 pec tax does have shades of Superman III written all over it...

So, are *we* paying to fund the development of games in other countries? Did the shoddy programming of this VU refect the divided efforts of developing these other games?
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It appears that maybe we are paying to fund development as you say, but for new business partners of MA and new playerbases....Ma may not advertise, but I'm betting the new guys do and will have a pretty neatly tested universe to show to their markets when expansion begins.

OP was spot on even if it is circumstantial ..it's strange isn't it. here we all were wondering if china would be free enough to enjoy EU and now it seems it may be us with the problems.

All the exciting news in the last few months has lost it's shine for me now that some true colours have been shown. It's more worrying than exciting.

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i agree that there wil be more changes but i plan to weather it out....they cant get rid of me that easy. and lol i wanna be an old player, that the noobs see and go wow hes uber ;)
 
If you think changing your cloths is costing you money , then id suggest you take a good look around . The extra firing of your weapon after your creature is dead costs you . The sudden log off in the middle of your hunt is costing you . When i started playing this game a few weeks ago , every 4th creature i killed had loot . Now its at about 9 sometimes 8 . I havent even tried to skill in other areas of the game , but if skilling in 1 is costing me like this , then i can imagine what ill pay to leap in other areas :wtg: .
 
I do believe the 2 PEC tax on Limited armour has been removed, while the 2 PEC tax on Unlimited armour has been halved... :scratch2:
 
It's like the chancellor's budget report:

Tax on Limited Armor ABOLISHED
Tax on Unlimited Armor HALVED
Tax on Clothing NO CHANGE
Repair to Clothing to make it look as before INCREASE

:)
 
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