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DYNAMIC epic fail

Well said Gandolf, I feel the same way.

I have felt for a long time that most nice loots are manually triggered by MA, and this confirms it. What is the point of doing any hunting from now on? It is clear MA decides both when and to whom a nice loot will drop. This "game" is not dynamic at all. It reminds me more of a rigged casino.

I just celebrated the 5th birthday of my avatar, so I have been around for a while. This recent event ranks ranks among the most troubling. I think that MA has some explaining to do or many people may leave the game.

I especially like how "dynamic" the distribution to the players was. Note 3 discoveries for Lif3bring3r and 2 for Linden within the span of a couple hours. This should happen all the time in a fair and well balanced system right?

 
MARCO: "YOU WILL NEVER FORGET SGA" :yay::yay::yay:
 
This is what i personally beleive has happened just my opinion.

Items got dropped in the 2nd wht you call it. some items got left behind and were prob in mobs that people wernt hunting frequently as time went by all sorts of stuff dropped but some stuff was getting left behind not because MA was holding it back but maybe because we wernt doing our bit by hunting right mob? Just a thought.

As it hit the last day MA sees majority of the stuff has gone apart from this stuff so they shift it from that mob to the most frequesnt mob people were hunting at the time so it gets dropped one way or the other.

Not because THEY were holding it back but maybe WE wernt doing something right who knows.

Its like a product it has to sell by a certain date, as date gets near and its not shifted you start reducing the price as the days come near when you realise till the last day its not sold because of what ever reason the following days you give it out for penny's just to get rid of it right? your not going to hold it for another year or month are you as its part of that batch for that set time.

Same principle applies and maybe the same process was used and it took them a day more to get rid of the stuff.

So it seems to us they been unfair they been holding it back they gone a day above than they said, and all the things you can think of under the sun,

Now imagine they stopped the event bang on time and all the items that got dropped dropped, and all that got left over is just code, what will the conclusion be then what kind of f'ed up event was this from a whole set only a helmet dropped where the other parts and the rest you all know.

Give them some Credit

No offence to any one just my thought on this matter approcahing it abit logically.

Regards
El Tigre
 
LOL

can ef mod someday stop moving threads everywhere..?? this one have been first mixed, then reopened, then moved to an other section

we are not talking about an item here lol
 
this is prof of thing that MA/FPC spreed lie: "All items still can be looted".
This is pure lies what we seen just now with EON SGA and other SGA items found in last 2 days.

EPIC fail .... this puts hunters to think ... I was camping some mobs for YEARS in hope to loot an item ... was it really possible? I been f**ed up all this time ? I been lied all time ? Is every such item drop predefined ? Same for SGA what ppl post.

I think NOW EU totally lost the reputation for active hunters and also trust in words of any MA/FPC post.

Avatars leaving?, another EU crisis no RL related?, will see :)

And if MA keeps balance control over all other planets .... i dont see bright future also there.
 
25k+ PED losses, not a single HoF, only SGA item a Kobold Thigh Guards (f) the past four months, not being able to play from 27. until today. So basically I was not able to play close to one week, however in this one week everything I tried for dropped, even after official finish of the event.

I have to say, I was really close to never as upset as today and rather withdraw the just deposited money back with 1% losses on fees and invest in another game than in this continously ongoing bullshit here, probably that it is...

To everyone who is about as upset as me, think about legal actions for false advertisment and possible manipulation, even if the TOU say that this and that may be, there are not just international, but also swedish laws MA has to obligate within their service that are obviously not fulfilled.
 
CrouchingTiger said:
Not because THEY were holding it back but maybe WE wernt doing something right who knows...

Same principle applies and maybe the same process was used and it took them a day more to get rid of the stuff.
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Good points... I agree. Of course, in hindsight there will be a group of people saying they were hunting those mobs that dropped the Eon during the entire 4 months of SGA... and that's fine. But I still think the items were in the queue and since the clock was running out (had run out actually) there was a sudden surge of SGA items to clean out the queue. No conspiracy, no button pushed to reward certain players...

helena said:
LOL

can ef mod someday stop moving threads everywhere..?? this one have been first mixed, then reopened, then moved to an other section

we are not talking about an item here lol
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It was me. I merged some threads, realized my error and then I fixed it. Sorry if it caused you any trouble. Sometimes doing the right thing is painful.
 
Rayne Jade said:
It was me. I merged some threads, realized my error and then I fixed it. Sorry if it caused you any trouble. Sometimes doing the right thing is painful.
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u think this thread belong to the 'items" section? ^^
 
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What am I missing here?

Look at it like this. SGA items were special items added to the item loot tables (however they work) with special event rules in place. This was clearly demonstrated early on with the clues and rough timing of certain drops. We can also see that there is still an uncontrolled aspect of the actual drops.

So, a bunch of items dropped right at the end, and several more as the deadline passed. This indicates a rule based system, not some vast conspiracy. Were the rules cocked up a bit - yes. Did MA not correctly figure the rate at which items will loot - it sure looks that way. Is any of that a huge surprise - no, not even to fanboi like me.

Yesterdays events indicate some sort of must-drop-by date entry in the table - and yet still the right mob must be killed and the loot value must be sufficient and the item table must be called, etc. What happened yesterday was evidence of that. I would not be surprised if more items drop - the first time those conditions are met.

It seemed clear to me that an event based on random (within the rules) drops with a fixed end date could result in a rush of items at the end - which is exactly what happened. I find the outrage over this kind of weird.

The simple fact is that our collective actions, especially in the face of unique circumstances (event-motivated behaviors) are not entirely predictable, and that the loot system is not under any specific "drop this to that avatar, now" level of control. All such tinfoil hat theories are just that. Otherwise, the drops would have flowed evenly and been timely. This cock-up is proof of the "randomness" or "dynamics" (or whatever you wish to call it), of the system, not the opposite.

:beerchug:

Miles
 
Maybe this Universe / game is better of without " events " . Because I really think this was messed up also. Most events last year or so has either been unclear in rules or changed while running due to " mistakes " ! And now this ?
 
Miles said:
Look at it like this. SGA items were special items added to the item loot tables (however they work) with special event rules in place. This was clearly demonstrated early on with the clues and rough timing of certain drops. We can also see that there is still an uncontrolled aspect of the actual drops.

So, a bunch of items dropped right at the end, and several more as the deadline passed. This indicates a rule based system, not some vast conspiracy. Were the rules cocked up a bit - yes. Did MA not correctly figure the rate at which items will loot - it sure looks that way. Is any of that a huge surprise - no, not even to fanboi like me.

Yesterdays events indicate some sort of must-drop-by date entry in the table - and yet still the right mob must be killed and the loot value must be sufficient and the item table must be called, etc. What happened yesterday was evidence of that. I would not be surprised if more items drop - the first time those conditions are met.

It seemed clear to me that an event based on random (within the rules) drops with a fixed end date could result in a rush of items at the end - which is exactly what happened. I find the outrage over this kind of weird.

The simple fact is that our collective actions, especially in the face of unique circumstances (event-motivated behaviors) are not entirely predictable, and that the loot system is not under any specific "drop this to that avatar, now" level of control. All such tinfoil hat theories are just that. Otherwise, the drops would have flowed evenly and been timely. This cock-up is proof of the "randomness" or "dynamics" (or whatever you wish to call it), of the system, not the opposite.

:beerchug:

Miles
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So what you are saying is that the looters got the items because they know how the system works and just kept hunting since they knew some items still had to drop.

Makes sort of sence, except for the fact that MA/FPC set the end date themselves and how hard is it to make the system drop things on time and not a couple of hours/days later.
 
strakkan said:
Maybe this Universe / game is better of without " events " . Because I really think this was messed up also. Most events last year or so has either been unclear in rules or changed while running due to " mistakes " ! And now this ?
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Agree.. sga = 1 big fat ass failure for most people.
 
jiriki said:
Makes sort of sence, except for the fact that MA/FPC set the end date themselves and how hard is it to make the system drop things on time and not a couple of hours/days later.
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The end date maybe was the last date that they put items into the loot, rather than the last date items got looted?


Btw, FPC aint got nada to do with loot balance, its MA...
 
Its thievery and the evidence is too strong now. There is nothing Dynamic about it! MindArk HIDE BEHIND THE WORD DYNAMIC and say its all a random occurance. IT IS NOT. In the real world the chance of someone winning a large amount of money on the lottery is very very low, but winning it over and over and over in a ROW is so extremely unlikely that it is considered impossible, yet it happens in Entropia more than every couple of months and its passed off as DYNAMIC.

Theres one big difference about the lottery and Entropia though. The lottery is fair play, entropia is thievery because it is extremely clear now that everyone having a fair chance is complete BS and it is always the same people winning over and over again. There are people who get ATHs several times a year and they don't even hunt as much as some people or always mobs as big.

I've seen this theory go on for a long time now and it is now very hard to believe what MindArk says about the loot.

Yet I whine and someone at Mindark will see this and either turn the slider for my Avatar's loot even lower or give me a couple of globals to shut me up. I used to be very happy with how things were but after several 70ped hunting runs on the bots in the crater and coming back with maximum 7peds worth of loot that doesn't even have a feasable markup i've lost all faith in the balancing of loot. The bots in the crater aren't exactly easy for my level and I do need to spend extra on fap decay and I get paid filth which not even resellers want to buy just so that some uber who is already rich can get another nice item to add to their collection.
 
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Miles said:
It seemed clear to me that an event based on random (within the rules) drops with a fixed end date could result in a rush of items at the end - which is exactly what happened. I find the outrage over this kind of weird.
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The "outrage" here is that those items did drop after the end of an event with a specific end date. Let me ask you to think about those players that did choose to camp a specific mob during the SGA period knowing that they would limit their chances to loot any another SGA item, they took a risk and were quite "fairplay" saying "ok, no luck for me ... maybe next time" and suddenly ... when the SGA period is "officially" ended ... that specific item drops !!

Honnestly ... what would you think ?
 
MindArk support case said:
Since your inquiry is touching the in-world balance of the Entropia Universe it will not be possible for us to give you a completely satisfactory reply to your questions. Your ability to find and extract minerals is mainly depending on two things: your skills and the tool, which you are using. However, the mining system is also depending on the general economy of the Entropia Universe. This economy is not static and your chances to succeed are affected by this dynamic feature. Therefore you will experience both good and bad times within the Entropia Universe. This is a part of the experience. If it does not look too bright for you now, we can assure you that your turn will come sooner or later.
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That's all lied?
 
Nighthawk said:
The end date maybe was the last date that they put items into the loot, rather than the last date items got looted?


Btw, FPC aint got nada to do with loot balance, its MA...
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Good point, didn't think of that posibility :)
 
Fish and wish!!!

In the first 45 seconds, this clip might explain how loot works. :hammer:


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I'm still waiting for the official statement... seriously MA, if you are reading this, it would hurt your rep way more if you stay shut. If any FPC representative is reading this, be aware that when MA fails, YOU fail. :rolleyes:

*taps foot*
 
I been saying this since the 3rd week I played that loot can be and is given by hand from MA.

I have said these Events they run are nothing but Charity events for who they think deserves things. Usually the same people. For normal players returns drop out so they can do this at will.

Ill say it one more time. The ONLY way this Bullshit will stop is to not participate in them. Unfortunately we have too many addicted players that wont rally and they know this.

I dont think it will be long until deposits hit the lower percentage MA will accept before they HAVE to change things. After all once we stop then MA HAS to take from the people they favor and thats when the change will come.
 
Sellin my hunting sh.t

Who wants to buy a full shadow male and a mod merc, pm me.
 
Let's see if Marco has the guts to explain this failure without using the word "dynamic".

PS : Gratz to the winners though of the items, no harm meant to them.
 
Nothing new here.This game is UNIQUE and till its stays UNIQUE, those bricks at MA doing what they want, because we are addicted and we dont have were do go.

We need EU clones. then things starting change.

MA is ripping me 4 years for now,good yob MA:wtg:
 
I am a little confused.... are we moaning because great items were dropping when they shouldnt have been..... If thats the case then :laugh:

There is no conspiracy, people saw these Eon parts getting looted and the people who knew what mob traditionally dropped them flocked to the areas and hunted these mobs.
 
Im so dam tired of seeing all this BS with the " Choosen ones" get the UBERLOOT every f.... time. Theres NO Dynamic, randomness or fair play in having the SAME player always loot the good stuff. It WONT help if you are able to shoot 2000 Neconus in a day. YOU wont get shit of youre not on MAs FAV player list. I was mining as usual last nite in a Neconu area where i had to defendkill all the time. Of cause i didnt get anything but a small amount of this new crap Tier items that just dont have any MU at all meanwhile an UBER whos REALLY one of the choosen loots 2 EON parts from Neconus :rolleyes::( Dynamic ? Randomness ? Fair play ??? HM MY ASS i say. Just the fact that a player of her/his strenght would hunt Neconu YOUNGS ?? THAT by itself is just hillarius. No Cheating BS is what is.
 
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