Silver hats on.

[Mika]

for those who don't care I sugest to just read this one line and leave.

if you do care and want to read please read the following thread good before you quote, yell or beat me sensless.

OK, this MIGHT be taken as an SGA items for ubers only which it sort of isent, its just alittle "what the fuck" going on..

ok so happily idling I see Linden The Chosen Avrey get an discovery of EON on Neconu. which is OK, nothing against Avery at all let that be said, but firstly wasent SGA supposed to be over the 31st?

If not where does it say it is extended?? sure as hell aint seemingly to be anyone regulars would know of atleast.

ok so that one beeing alittle "ehm... sure ok.." I carried on my buisness and saw lots of neconu globals and abit later.

out of absolutly no where, Avery gets another discvery of big Goki's, out of absolutly no where, and right after another global of a player in Mjau who got an global on a big goki aswell..

now call me paranoid or whatever you want bt this just seems abit to much over the "wtf edge" for me.

2 ubers in uber socs get discoveries on it on neconu, but how on earth would they know "oh hey lets kill gokis for the other one" im not saying they knew, but it just seems way to weird to just be coinsidence, atleast looking that two well known ubers got globals almost instantly of an mob random and one happened to be another discovery.

not to mention alot of discoveries of the remainding parts have been dropping past day(s) and its pretty much only ubers who seem to not hunt what they "usually global on" with the expcetion of 1 or 2 discoveries...

by all means feel free to hackle me, but its just seems way to suspicious to me that it happened like this.

not to mention all who whine gets an ATH, awesome SGA find or any other sick high loot quite "fast" after whining about it.

its getting quite visable that theres strings beeing pulled. and ive always said that the loot system operates an RNG system.. seems more and more likley this is far from the case and it in fact is manually beeing pulled around.

*puts on tinfoil hat* this is getting stupid tbf

 

[Moonbiter]

Well, it really seem odd, especially Lif3bring3rs case, with 3 discoveries few hours apart.

As for Eon parts though, i think those players just took the guess. So far most of the drops correlate with old non-sga drops. Cersu for gloves, Neco for helmet, goki for arms, etc.

Overall as far as item drops go, i think it's most casino'ish part of EU. Can't complain though, i got my lucky ticket, but still, this doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Metal]

Of course there's strings being pulled. No doubt!

 

[Kal]

The tables are not square, never have been, never will be.

 

[Simon God]

Finally mika sees what makes us others bitter... welcome to the club looool

 

[HardWrath]

I looted Eon thighs from Goki back in 2006. People have known for a long time that they drop Eon

Formidon are another mob that drop Eon

 

[Aeris_is_back]

I think what people forget all to often is that most uber players spend a large amount of time with some of their activity's in game.

when most hunt they are like a fucking wrecking ball tearing through mobs with great speed and downing such a large volume its only a matter of time before they hit the big one.

as for what people "usually global on" you can't look at that and say this person usually hunts that mob, you can't know what they usually hunt without following them around all the time.

I have my beliefs concerning this game and you have yours. I don't think its my place to tell you I think your wrong, but this thread is a place I can offer my view on the subject still respecting yours.

 

[Mika]

in the same style as last discovery two goki globals right after eachother. sitting there kind of expecting it to come though.

gz to the looters..

well Yea I am well aware of how fast some trash through mobs and how much people pour into it..

it just seems sort of "suspicious" imo that all off a sudden a flock of the cream ubers for some reason just goes hunting on an totally "unusuall" spot.

it just doesen't match up.

in my head I can't get 2+2 to be 4... with this

 

[Aeris_is_back]

In a true random system 'fair system' we will see such events like this one. yes it is suspicious but the feeling it leaves me with is that the system is in fact fair and random. if they are influencing the system they would not do so in such a suspicious way. or that's how I see it Mika.

 

[Rayne Jade]

Formidon are another mob that drop Eon

Which is why I have been hunting them for the past 48 hours The only thing that payed off however, were the Scips that got in the way.

It certainly appears as if there is a need for the silver hats... but I don't think so. I figured the remaining SGA items would continue to drop after 30 DEC passed only because they are in the "queue". Right place, right time, doing the right thing...

 

[JohnCapital]

Actually, the answer is much simpler than you think.

I was remarking to soc mates yesterday that there were a lot of high-end SGA armor parts that weren't found. That's kind of a big "whoopsie". I figured they were gonna probably reduce the drop difficulty on them just to get them out the door at the last minute.

Also, MA isn't known for starting/stopping events right on time. MA time is very fluid.

So, take those facts, and go hunting the usual suspects (mobs that dropped their pre-SGA counterparts) and hey-presto!

If I had a decent hunting capital atm, I would have done the exact same thing. Too bad for me, my peds are tied.

It's not that MA handed them gifts. It's that they saw the situation correctly and responded. (Or they ust got f#ckin' lucky, which works too.)

EDIT: Rayne was faster and as usual less verbose.

 

[Naverith]

Kal and I just did what you suggested, and got EON M armguards!

 

[Mika]

but I don't think so. I figured the remaining SGA items would continue to drop after 30 DEC passed only because they are in the "queue". Right place, right time, doing the right thing...

well the reason it makes me wonder is that I strongly doubt there is any "Dynamic" anymore (dynamic = random pretty much..)

the loot is generated, atleast that is what MA have said. This had me to believe it is infact RNG that is in work.

say you have items A, B, C, D, E, F and G the various items have an % chance to drop or be dragged into the loot, whichever you want to see it as.

so when player clicks "loot" the RNG kicks in and well makes a random dragout on what is to come or not, cherries will have less chance, tripple 7's rarer, so say oils are the cherries, the uber loots are the tripple 7's.

at that part it just stops working looking at how loot is handled.

the RNG system makes no sense anymore.

several factors to this but its very obvious that loot is not random, it is infact strings beeing pulled and manually steered.

yes I am saying it that concrete, because it seems that clear that "it is just the only thing that makes sense" at this moment.

I for a very long time believed that it was "Dynamic" as in random, but well.. it seems its humanly dynamic, I see dynamic as random, and to players it well... is "random" but it doesen't take much looking to see that it aint really random at all, its just made to seem random. almost as if every individual player has an code and individual RNG attached to them. if that makes sense

now IF MA would do as they said and SGA would infact end 30th at 00:00, the items would simply be timed to dissapear from the loot table thus not beeing able to appear on the tripple 7's that the RNG generate.

but it seems as if they extended it, and if they did, why havent anyone gotten to know of it? or have some?

fishy, smells so very very fishy.

 

[Mika]

Kal and I just did what you suggested, and got EON M armguards!

yes I reffered to you some posts back gz.

your discovery does feed the conspiracy alot though =)

I was remarking to soc mates yesterday that there were a lot of high-end SGA armor parts that weren't found. That's kind of a big "whoopsie". I figured they were gonna probably reduce the drop difficulty on them just to get them out the door at the last minute.

SGA should've ended some days ago. its way past a closed door

 

[Nobatbbi]

in the same style as last discovery two goki globals right after eachother. sitting there kind of expecting it to come though.

gz to the looters..

well Yea I am well aware of how fast some trash through mobs and how much people pour into it..

it just seems sort of "suspicious" imo that all off a sudden a flock of the cream ubers for some reason just goes hunting on an totally "unusuall" spot.

it just doesen't match up.

in my head I can't get 2+2 to be 4... with this

MA Loot Generator Formula: 2+2 = Uber gets a good loot

 

[Aeris_is_back]

You have to think if there was injustice in this system in time it would show its self in a clear and undeniable way, this is so dangerous it would destroy this game completely. this is such a risk to all that they have built up I don't feel they would take it. this really would end the game with one killing blow.

With all the staff all the people and the level of deception required to pull this off I don't feel its possible, a single fired employee could take EU off the market with even the most basic evidence of such a deception.

 

[Rayne Jade]

...now IF MA would do as they said and SGA would infact end 30th at 00:00, the items would simply be timed to dissapear from the loot table thus not beeing able to appear on the tripple 7's that the RNG generate.

but it seems as if they extended it, and if they did, why havent anyone gotten to know of it? or have some?

fishy, smells so very very fishy.

Had MA|FPC not allowed these items to drop, they would be reading threads about how foolish it was to allow armor sets to remain incomplete. It was not an official extension of SGA, nor was it unofficial. Another way to look at it is: MA|FPC cannot turn it on or off as easily as many think they can. Once items are in the mix, they are in the mix.

Regardless of any involvement from MA|FPC, allowing these items to drop was the correct thing to do IMO.

 

[Mika]

Had MA|FPC not allowed these items to drop, they would be reading threads about how foolish it was to allow armor sets to remain incomplete. It was not an official extension of SGA, nor was it unofficial. Another way to look at it is: MA|FPC cannot turn it on or off as easily as many think they can. Once items are in the mix, they are in the mix.

Regardless of any involvement from MA|FPC, allowing these items to drop was the correct thing to do IMO.

It's as he said himself. magnus that is

- Large events, such as the second golden age, means more work, yes. Then again it’s always good to hand out desirable items to the community! Of course it will have some effect on the market, so it needs to be done carefully. But it’s a very pleasant task, he smiles with his eyes, the same eyes used to monitor our loot.

as I interpret it they can point and give.

then again EU differs fro mabsolutly any game in the whole world, so wouldent surprise me if its the first game ever where the people who run it can't affect loot in the way of "point and give" or "make it 'random' so it looks as if it is";P

even games who have RNG do this, I would love to mention one which I can't but it would make it easier to explain how they can affect loot. this game too has an system where RNG kicks in as the mob is clicked.

RNG for those wondering is Random Number Generator btw.

 

[JohnCapital]

SGA should've ended some days ago. its way past a closed door

You missed the part where I said MA doesn't ever stop events on time. Old time players know this.

(dynamic = random pretty much..)

No, dynamic means changes often.

so when player clicks "loot" the RNG kicks in and well makes a random dragout on what is to come or not, cherries will have less chance, tripple 7's rarer, so say oils are the cherries, the uber loots are the tripple 7's.

Part of it is like that, (not exact, but close enough)

However, what if for the past 2 days, MA just set those rare triple-7 items down to a mere "cherry, cherry, 7"? Suddenly they drop easier.

at that part it just stops working looking at how loot is handled.

the RNG system makes no sense anymore.

several factors to this but its very obvious that loot is not random, it is infact strings beeing pulled and manually steered.

Because you see the "random" part, but there are non-random factors that contribute to loot. and they are activity-oriented, not avatar-oriented.

 

[Kal]

Kal and I just did what you suggested, and got EON M armguards!

Would just like to mention it wasn't this Kal. No way in hell MA gonna give me anything that good, lol.

 

[Mika]

Because you see the "random" part, but there are non-random factors that contribute to loot. and they are activity-oriented, not avatar-oriented.

but that brings it back to 0 again

why some people loot all and others loot nothing. which only makes me belive that theres more conspiracy going on that we don't know off xP

 

[Avery]

Haven't read the whole thread, since I'm out looking for Thighs

Here's my early morning so far:

I was on my way to bed when I walked past my computer to see all the Eon discos. I also thought SGA was meant to be over (damnit MA!), but decided to stay up and try for the remaining Eon parts.

Goki and Neconu were no-brainers really.. both have dropped multiple Eon parts in the past. First choice was Goki (especially with only 2 globals in the last 40+ hours(!)) and Arms being the most valuable part, but I could only find Proteron west of Troy.

Went to Mino to try global there, but with Goki Providers as biggest I didn't stay long.

Next option was Neconu for either Helm or Thighs; landed on Xen (sorry Xen) and got the Disco after about 500 PED ammo. Finished up my ammo with Lif3bring3r getting the F Helm as I left.

Went back to look for the Goki Stalker spawn, found them after about 5 minutes; with Centech arriving there about the same time.

It was then just a matter of racing to the first global.

Although I've been on the right end of the "dynamic" loot system, I still think it's BS. But I still try my best to take advantage of it when I can. I just don't understand why there weren't more people hunting Goki since groggen's global @ 21:41 last night.

 

[Lavawalker]

but that brings it back to 0 again

why some people loot all and others loot nothing. which only makes me belive that theres more conspiracy going on that we don't know off xP

EF Plaster # 101

It is called paying sensible markups out to others in the economy to boost its value instead of always going for the cheapest price on everything, trashing or bring down its value to a minimum

The balancing engine probably owes Avery a shitload more than a few 10k uber item drops in markup by now.

Much as it owed Mercury several clicks on an UL BLP handgun not long ago ontop of a massive set of HOFs crafting them.

Link > https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/uberloots/153425-epic-star.html

Keep thinking - balancing engine, what have I contributed to be rewarded for nice loot. Markups, taxes, a shitload of decay revenue turnover on a consistent basis or a combination of the lot.

Your time will come.

Either work the TT method as eco as possible to maintain as much as possible back from the system (Normalised).

Harmony example + advise > https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/general-economy-discussion/175397-tt-return-2009-real-statistics.html

Or play the boost the economy risk game and get rewarded for doing so.
Play on primarily Taxed Land, pay healthy markups for resources and equipment (L) your going to decay day to day;

Or invest into UL and turn over a shitload of PED consistently day-to-day if that is your thing.

The ruleset engine treats everyone the same.

And sure there is a luck component mixed in there also with items to be dropped in the que to those who qualify to get them - Also some who don't in terms of the accounting core but are gifted.

I was saying to Avery once the second dropped for him in game, lets see the threads start.

And here we are.

I do agree it would be nice to place such special events outside of the ruleset balancing engine based on per capita revenue generated 'plus' economic boost (markups paid out to boost the value of items/resources in the economy) for the duration of the event period only then rolling it over to the main participant account record at event end (or planet departure if during a planet event period);

Alternatively another per capita rewarded example >

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/wishlist/159665-sga-alternate-distribution-concept-no-casino-mechanisms.html

^^ Casino mechanisms in what is perceived as the mimick of a casino when analysing short term results.

But this is not the case. We still work within the confines of the ruleset balancing engine for everything we do.

Yes it produces results like a casino, but really over the longhaul the rewards 99.9% are more than well deserved by the participant in the team (or solo) receiving them as allocated by the loot subsystem via the accounting core.

Cheer up Buckaroos your time will come.
Keep in perspective the sort of turnover these people do day-to-day.
Sparkz

 

[Avery]

out of absolutly no where, Avery gets another discvery of big Goki's, out of absolutly no where, and right after another global of a player in Mjau who got an global on a big goki aswell..

My global with the Discovery was 2 minutes before Alina's. If Alina globalled first, I bet she would have discovered the Arms instead of me.

 

[Mika]

Shortened the quote

What about those Who have depoed seriously ALOT. for example akbar.

if all was working that poor fella should be swimming in good loots by now

or some of the others that have depoed tons of peds and are now just giving up some silent some "not silent"

I wont match to many of them with only rotating roughly 120k total wheres roughly 60 was deposited, in a year. for many that is simple small stuff they roll out in maybe a month?

and wlel i dont know how its for them who do roll out more and dont get anything, but Ive had one good period and rest has been roughly 30% returns if not its been 100% - 120% at very rare occasions.

one was today where I got a longu glob that was a profit run on big longu. ended on 103% return

 

[JohnCapital]

why some people loot all and others loot nothing.

Completely false. Go back through the Discoveries section and note the OP names. Now go through the uberloot and ATH sections and try the same thing.

No, know what, I'll do it for you. In all three sections (page 1 only) here are the names:

Alina
Alina
Auktuma
Auktuma
Auktuma
Avery
Avery
Ben Cobra Boner
Bou
Buzz Lightyear
Cani Ostro
cduser
cduser
chaps
Chesty Jugs
Chris Enzo
chris_gala
Circle Breaker
combo22
CrestIV
Crosskeeper
crowl
Crux
Dblood1
Droops
EQUA
Etopia
Fefe
Gleni
helena
hoos
Ivo Jahrumble
JDaddy
Joker
kebplay
KrQlle
Leaf Arwen
Lhava
Liam
Longcloud
Looser
Looser
Mak
MasterZen
Mishgun
Nixon
patman
Prot
Rufus
Sheryo
Skippie
Slippery
Sloe
Stryker
Sunab Naverith
travolta
Typhoon
Utrue
ventyra
Wink
zebencat

I bolded the multiple "winners". Auktuma is the winner with a whopping 3 crafted discoveries. (and guess how much he crafts)

True this doesn't cover all ubers, etc. but you get the idea.

It's NOT the same people over and over again. and when it is, there's usually a few perfectly good reasons.

 

[Mika]

shortening quote

I was thinking more of what actually goes ingame, its very rarly you see AoW, M2S, BaHQ etc post about every uber or ath they get\find

like joda on daps, like uakt in crafting joda blasts tons of peds into dasp, but how come its -only- seemingly him who globals, hofs and ubers on the regulary? along with star for example

if it was truly a dynamic and fair system that woulden't happen.

now yes some people occasionaly shot a dasp and found an modfap or got an ATH, but it still really makes no sense

 

[TheGreatest]

Mika changing tunes like a faulty ipod

 

[Lavawalker]

What about those Who have depoed seriously ALOT. for example akbar.

if all was working that poor fella should be swimming in good loots by now

or some of the others that have depoed tons of peds and are now just giving up some silent some "not silent"

I wont match to many of them with only rotating roughly 120k total wheres roughly 60 was deposited, in a year. for many that is simple small stuff they roll out in maybe a month?

and wlel i dont know how its for them who do roll out more and dont get anything, but Ive had one good period and rest has been roughly 30% returns if not its been 100% - 120% at very rare occasions.

one was today where I got a longu glob that was a profit run on big longu. ended on 103% return

Fair call and I can sympathise with that.

I have deposited close to 300k ped in the last two and a half years and have not had a nice UL item drop, no uber loot item drop;

I got a few hofs of TT fodder and the one nice thing I did get after paying out many many thousands of ped in markups for (L) gear was a full TT ESI (L) from an Ambu on Qetesh's taxed land that was a favourite hunting spot for many months.

No harm done, I am changing my ways, taking more risks and will see how it all turns out

If it does not in a few years time.
I will probably end up just leaving and that is that, this game wasn't for me.

Hopefully it does though Because I do enjoy the game.
Even if it is a painful at times to watch MA/FPC operate it.

 

[Mega]

I just don't understand why there weren't more people hunting Goki since groggen's global @ 21:41 last night.

One of the least popular mobs in the game, along with:

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/hunting/156882-choose-worst-mob-camp-ill-camp.html