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WARNING: This is my theory based on research, but I could still be 100% wrong.
So occasionally we read comments like: "He stole my uber" or "she got lucky and hit an ATH". For example:
So I got curious and tried to learn exactly which of us are paying for those massive ubers and ATHs. And I think I found the answer. My research led me to search through the massive amount of hunting, mining, & crafting blogs folks have done on these forums, tracking their activity and sharing with all of us.
I also privately interviewed a number of ATHers to get info straight from them.
So who pays for mega-ubers and ATHs?
Short version
The answer is: Whoever looted it.
Long Version
I asked some folks who have had ATHs about their spending/tracking. Firstly, I'd like to thank those who responded.
Of those ATHers that do track their TT spend/loot, Every one of them said the ATH was less than long term TT loss. Not one of them achieved (or would admit to) long term TT profit.
In mathematical terms: ATHs < (Total_TT_Spend - Total_TT_Return)
So even ATHers have lost peds to MA over the long run.
Here's a recent comment that seems to agree w/ this. (Bold added by me)
Note that's a 95.25% TT return over 12 months.
Another comment that echos this concept:
Just so it's all in one place, here's the results of some other long and short term logs I've read.
Someone who tracked for 2 years:
%tt return in 2009, real statistics (12-31-2009)
From the screenie of his spreadsheet
TT Spent: 379,039.10
TT Return: 364,570.23
96.18% Return (over all 3 main activities)
%tt return in 2010 (12-28-2010)
Skippie's How 2 Profit Thread (04-18-2008)
A log of using the famous mod merc
Star's Hunting Experiment (09-12-2007)
Star's Hunting Expriment (II) (04-20-2008)
After you get past the MU profits, these showed even top-level players don't TT profit
At the other end of the spectrum, we have:
Low Level Eco Hunting Log (06-29-2010)
Sabakuma hunts opalo+A101 w/o armor/fap
1 of mine
You made me camp ripper snappers (07-27-2009)
5 different weapons against Argos - TEST (01-07-2010)
Various UL and (L) pistols used on low lvl argo (One of my favorite logs.)
Overall, he spent 10,469.94 anf got back 9,249.89 for a 88.35% return
Noiseless Hunting Log (10-26-2009)
How 'bout mining?
Project, TT% returns, 90%? (05-15-2010)
vigi mining blog (11-16-2009)
Miles eMining Blog (04-09-2010)
Run 29 Running TT Balance: -415.19
Run 30 958 HOF
Running TT Balance: +432.15
Runs 31-34 all 69-80% return
There are other very good logs to study, but you get my point. Actually, I'll let Grave Digger from Warants say it:
Grave Digger got bored (11-02-2008)
One of my favorite saying has been: Globaling is easy. You just have to pay for it. Seems I was right all along.
To all who've cycled massive amount of peds, and complain they haven't hit their ATH yet, that doesn't mean you're being robbed. Try to track your long term TT spend/returns. If you're in the ballpark of the above logs, then you're just like most of us.
And yes, there are cases such as this: 3 day old noob gets 27,000ped HOF (01-29-2006) That I can't explain. However, the main point of this thread is simple: Everything I've learned says those who've got ATHs paid for it themselves. Your peds are not going to them.
So occasionally we read comments like: "He stole my uber" or "she got lucky and hit an ATH". For example:
Everyone don't get back 100% TT - the decay. Because someone has to pay for the uberloots and ATHs.
So I got curious and tried to learn exactly which of us are paying for those massive ubers and ATHs. And I think I found the answer. My research led me to search through the massive amount of hunting, mining, & crafting blogs folks have done on these forums, tracking their activity and sharing with all of us.
I also privately interviewed a number of ATHers to get info straight from them.
So who pays for mega-ubers and ATHs?
Short version
The answer is: Whoever looted it.
Long Version
I asked some folks who have had ATHs about their spending/tracking. Firstly, I'd like to thank those who responded.
Of those ATHers that do track their TT spend/loot, Every one of them said the ATH was less than long term TT loss. Not one of them achieved (or would admit to) long term TT profit.
In mathematical terms: ATHs < (Total_TT_Spend - Total_TT_Return)
So even ATHers have lost peds to MA over the long run.
Here's a recent comment that seems to agree w/ this. (Bold added by me)
i've cycled 898992.94tt and my tt return is 856250.33tt in the past 12 months and that's counting the ath...
Note that's a 95.25% TT return over 12 months.
Another comment that echos this concept:
Laungsuyar and others... that tower apreciated as It is (yes I do apreciate getting it) Did not even cover losses between end of summer and the first of the year....
Just so it's all in one place, here's the results of some other long and short term logs I've read.
Someone who tracked for 2 years:
%tt return in 2009, real statistics (12-31-2009)
From the screenie of his spreadsheet
TT Spent: 379,039.10
TT Return: 364,570.23
96.18% Return (over all 3 main activities)
%tt return in 2010 (12-28-2010)
Again, results over all 3 main activitiesOverall:
TT used: 1.133.490,94
TT return: 1.058.113,49
Average return: 93,35%
Skippie's How 2 Profit Thread (04-18-2008)
A log of using the famous mod merc
NOTE: Total after 7k PED of Ammo: -412.48
% of return @ 7k PED of Ammo: 94.45%
Star's Hunting Experiment (09-12-2007)
Star's Hunting Expriment (II) (04-20-2008)
After you get past the MU profits, these showed even top-level players don't TT profit
At the other end of the spectrum, we have:
Low Level Eco Hunting Log (06-29-2010)
Sabakuma hunts opalo+A101 w/o armor/fap
So a 96.64% return. Ironically, a better TT return than Skippie's mod merc. (Though the speed difference kinda keeps things in perspective)Total Hunts: 105
Total TT spent: 4,768.08 ped
Total TT return: 4,607.82 ped
1 of mine
You made me camp ripper snappers (07-27-2009)
So using various eco and non-eco weapons, my overall result was 93.45% return on total spentOverall Results:
Armor Decay = 83.93
Fap Decay = 7.84
Weapon Decay = 674.31
Other decay = 8.74
Total Decay = 774.82
Ammo = 624.87
Total Spent = 1399.69
Total Loot = 1308.02
5 different weapons against Argos - TEST (01-07-2010)
Various UL and (L) pistols used on low lvl argo (One of my favorite logs.)
Overall, he spent 10,469.94 anf got back 9,249.89 for a 88.35% return
Noiseless Hunting Log (10-26-2009)
Runing total after 215 runs: -26 172 PED tt (88.69%)
How 'bout mining?
Project, TT% returns, 90%? (05-15-2010)
I believe he's continuing this log back on EF.Running Total
Total TT Spent: 88941
Total TT Returns: 76854
Total TT % return: 86.41%
vigi mining blog (11-16-2009)
60000ped - bombs
2658ped - amps
62658ped - cost
tt return - 56 536,51 ped - 90,23% vs cost
Miles eMining Blog (04-09-2010)
HOWEVER, when you study his log you find this:Runs to Date: 34
TT Cost: 6776.24
TT Return: 7414.70
TT Return Rate: 109.42%
Run 29 Running TT Balance: -415.19
Run 30 958 HOF
Running TT Balance: +432.15
Runs 31-34 all 69-80% return
There are other very good logs to study, but you get my point. Actually, I'll let Grave Digger from Warants say it:
Grave Digger got bored (11-02-2008)
Fact:
-u get always back what u wasted
-regeneration of Mob's doesnt matter ,u get pay'd for
-the Loot is in relationship of your ammo/amp decay u used to kill
-Armor decay doesnt matter to get better loot's
-u have same chances to profit as someone with a fast weapon,it just takes Age's
One of my favorite saying has been: Globaling is easy. You just have to pay for it. Seems I was right all along.
To all who've cycled massive amount of peds, and complain they haven't hit their ATH yet, that doesn't mean you're being robbed. Try to track your long term TT spend/returns. If you're in the ballpark of the above logs, then you're just like most of us.
And yes, there are cases such as this: 3 day old noob gets 27,000ped HOF (01-29-2006) That I can't explain. However, the main point of this thread is simple: Everything I've learned says those who've got ATHs paid for it themselves. Your peds are not going to them.