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Now thats the word.. So you are in contact with person who is 30 minute by car from Rilorts place ?? Send him there... [SNIP] But there is thousand times biger chance to actualy make something with EYE to EYE IRL contact than lawyer here and lawnmover there :f

please read it carefully and forgive my poor english Sacklitch is at ASIA now but his brother is helping me i will post more of course when i have new information
 
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The real problem is Mindark.

Oho, yes it is, now I said it.
We have been asking for a loaning system since EU was PE and before the first golden age.
A simple system where a virtual item was instantly returned to the owner when the owner activates an virtual button (which then decays some). Search EF for more about it.
Mindark won't do it, because they are arrogant bastards and shitty designers.
.. how do I know they are shitty designers?
Because EF exists and there is still no official storyline, there is no reason to do anything in EU than perpetuate a loot cycle, there is no real entertainment other than another mindless "job" in a virtual world. http://vidallena.org/skinpal.htm
How to tell they are arrogant?
Because the simple loaning system does not exist after 5 years of asking for it.

If a court case goes live, more scammers will be attracted to EU like dicks to tits in a topless bar. (bees to honey)
Likely the case will end in favor for the scammer(s) and Mindark look like a shining star of a bad example of an RCE MMORPG who could have acted, but didn't.

How do I know this?
I don't have my head buried in my PED-ass.
All trades are final, all friendships are functions of viscousity relative to pressure, all ur base are belong to MA, now bend over and love it!

Tie
 
what did Black Hawk Hawk loose ? MM ? or 106 ?

106 message too short

+ A mixed set of limited Eon, Infiltrator, Hermes armour i think which he do not wants to hassle his valuable time
 
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+rep to both xXSqUaLLXx and EntropiaLaw!
 
Hmm the last time i got a bit drunk and posted something about wooping some computer dudes ass IRL i got banned... so i guess a shit load of the posters in this thread will have some time of from EF now or?:scratch2:

Regarding donating money for the civil law action.. how come this isnt a criminal case? :scratch2: isnt this at least Fraud and or theft? (no I haven’t read all the posts)
if not
What Monkey Island™ do you live in?:monkey:
 
Run down to the rig and grab some free oil... the guys down there are always keen to donate to needy causes.
 
i am the victim of 1 MM and 2 amp 106 s which 1 of them belongs to Black Hawk Hawk you mess it up with me and Rilort i guess

hmm ye sorry bout that.

but I am still wondering, and no i don't understand turkish so I don't know where to look either but, the law, is there anything in the law in turkey that says anything can be done? IE is the law supporting you or is it an case "out of the air" aka theres no law backing it up.

since getting an lawyer before that will just be well as throwing the money out a window letting he wind get them, especially if its for all the items, then theres suddenly another handfull of paperwork and legal work aswell as law research you need to do.
 
hmm ye sorry bout that.

but I am still wondering, and no i don't understand turkish so I don't know where to look either but, the law, is there anything in the law in turkey that says anything can be done? IE is the law supporting you or is it an case "out of the air" aka theres no law backing it up.

since getting an lawyer before that will just be well as throwing the money out a window letting he wind get them, especially if its for all the items, then theres suddenly another handfull of paperwork and legal work aswell as law research you need to do.

yes there is online crime and howevere its called department of police but i cannot tell you more at this point sorry (i will give all information later)
 
hmm ye sorry bout that.

but I am still wondering, and no i don't understand turkish so I don't know where to look either but, the law, is there anything in the law in turkey that says anything can be done? IE is the law supporting you or is it an case "out of the air" aka theres no law backing it up.

since getting an lawyer before that will just be well as throwing the money out a window letting he wind get them, especially if its for all the items, then theres suddenly another handfull of paperwork and legal work aswell as law research you need to do.

Im not sure, and as MA is swedish company, things happened in EU happen in sweden? When in comes to legal stuff, afaik the swedish law is the one to look
 
It is obvious emotions are running high regarding this issue... there are those for it and those against it.

However, EntropiaLaw (whoever he/she is :rolleyes:) is simply trying to raise PED for a cause. If you don't want to contribute then don't. If you do, then do so. Either way, don't ruin the thread and cease references to RL violence. No one has actually threatened anyone, but it seems it is only a matter of time until it comes to that.

Let's keep it civil and contructive :thumbup:

Carry on... :popcorn:
 
Dont snip me when i dont break forumrules please JC.

If im simply describing a violent action and condemming it in the same sentence as stupid and wrong...


Back to topic.
 
Im soo pissed about how you people are stupid !!!!!

Rilort is claiming that he was borrowing his ava to an another guy. So he knows that guy pretty well from IRL. Or as its more possible.. Rilort bought that sumah guy and Rilort is the scammer...

Whatever happen Rilort knows where the items are...

Now you are claiming that that imk3 was scammed and that imk3 is one guy who is living FUCKING 30 MINUTES BY CAR FROM RILORT !!!!

Soooooo.... Dont tell me he havent already visited him or atleast havent tried ????

I think ALL CK ARE LIARS !!! because the logic you are showing is UNLOGICAL

Do you really think all info is given at this time on EF? Do you think you know all the information. More is known than you know and people have thier own opinions about the episode.

But just because we dont tell you doesnt make us stupid, its actually smart if legal proceedings are going to start :rolleyes:

PS, that wasnt a lie and is quite obvious and logical.
 
Do you really think all info is given at this time on EF?

Since it's a clear case with all the info, why don't cK just pawn some off their ubertools in the ingame banks? Since most court cases also include compensations for the victim it would rather be an investment then a cost.
 
Will you make public who this lawyer will represent?

You say Rep and friends, but you also say this does not include Rilort.

Im just curious out of personal interest, this info will prolly not help the case in anyway.
 
But just because we dont tell you doesnt make us stupid, its actually smart if legal proceedings are going to start :rolleyes:

agreed here, SOC privacy is one thing, SOC leaks and part roumers/truths are something else!
 
Hmm the last time i got a bit drunk and posted something about wooping some computer dudes ass IRL i got banned... so i guess a shit load of the posters in this thread will have some time of from EF now or?:scratch2:

Regarding donating money for the civil law action.. how come this isnt a criminal case? :scratch2: isnt this at least Fraud and or theft? (no I haven’t read all the posts)
if not
What Monkey Island™ do you live in?:monkey:

I have not read the whole thread, so forgive me...

But, it seems that the confidence about the 'law' and a 'criminal' prosecution for a 'theft' of an item is not so strong now.

If they are going for a civil prosecution (i.e they are going to sue someone) than it has very different laws to govern the procedings.

I can sue anyone for any reason...doesn't mean I will win. A criminal prosecution however can only be instigated by the police afaik. So, if they are going the civilo route, does this mean the police have not gotten involved? If so, why?

Inquiring minds want to know...
 
Who the hell is Entropis law? A MA run account or some noob pretending he can police Entropia and make a differance reguardless of EULA.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/2179747-post22.html

We are not attorneys, our advice is limited to showing people which procedures they can take, and connect them with an appropriate lawyer if necessary. In certain circumstances we may also offer financial aid, and are considering the idea of fundraisers for people involved in legal difficulties.

We offer only friendly advice based on experience from cases we have been involved in regarding Entropia, and it should not be considered professional advice. We apologize if we have made you misunderstand.

Our aim is to help people get legal representation in the Entropia Universe considering that it operates a Real Cash Economy.
 
I can sue anyone for any reason...doesn't mean I will win.

True.

The outcome sometimes greatly depends on the choice of laywer (those who have worked with judge a few times could get favored), your initial declaration and some other possible circumstances. So even if you're right you could (easely) lose.

And maybe a bit offtopic but maybe some ppl know entropialaw but without explicit information it seems as credible as a viagra website.
 
The title of this thread gave me an impression that's it's some kind of sick joke, some huge elaborate scam that will go down in history. Maybe i'm wrong, i don't care if i am.. first impressions are important.

Also.. the request or rather as it's worded.. the order to donate shouldn't be put on the forum, i don't know the guy.. never known him as a helpful or reputable person or.. well anything.. (no offence intended)
 
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Now you are claiming that that imk3 was scammed and that imk3 is one guy who is living FUCKING 30 MINUTES BY CAR FROM RILORT !!!!

Indeed. I live in the same small town and I know who both of them are. I also happen to know that they have had plenty of contact with eachother wich means they probably are/were decent friends.

Having in mind 'what kind of people' we are talking about here I'm sure this matter goes deeper than most of us can imagine, or atleast their ingame friends. Cough, did I say that?!


Oh, and I'm sure theres internet in asia too. Maybe it would be in place with a fair comment from Sacklitch? He logged on to MSN yesterday but didnt reply. Not even a simple Hi.
 
Hello,

I wish you the best in getting the money back.

I will make sure I donate more than enough to cover any mall tax I earn from any donations. the Fee's I get from single sales are rather low, but I will also donate extra to help.

Mindark/FPC get the shop rent.

Thanks,

Ace Wiseshadow
 
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Sorry for pissing on everyone's parade but....

As an educated individual in the field of civil law, the reality is this:

A.) Legal proceedings will have to be handled by Swedish courts as it falls in their jurisdiction.

B.) Your legal costs will run you around 10k U.S. for a half descent lawyer for "overseas" work.

C.) You WILL (all parties involved in filing the suit) have to cease all action within the Entropia Universe until the court proceedings are over.

D.) This "case" will probably last 3 years from today assuming you all get right on the band wagon (as a guesstimate).

E.) IF you can work around the EU EULA/ToS which CLEARLY states that all virtual items are property of MindArk and NOT the player.... then you will ONLY be awarded replacement value (assuming EU is still operational), due to the fact that the items were stolen... not a currency.... By then.... they will be worth less than they are today assuming the economy continues.

In short, though I understand someone(s) are out a considerable amount of US dollars, and that a criminal deserves to be punished.... I truly believe pursuing this will be a waste of all of your time in the end.
Let's face it..... if someone can afford to spend tens of thousands of US dollars to play a video game.... then they really CAN afford to lose those items (not that they should have to or deserve to).

PED donations are a real nice gesture..... however.... if you play poker long enough, you're gonna get burned by someone who's counting cards or "has an ace up their sleeve". Those parties involved have been gambling in EU for some time now.... and they got burned. A real asshole move on the scammer's part..... but unfortunately, it comes with the territory of gambling.

I don't believe a "PED donation fund" is required and actually..... I believe it's quite redundant. I also believe that to ask for donations to help out someone who got ripped off for trusting the wrong person(s) is just plain WRONG. I mean.... the PEDs will barely scratch the surface of the financial costs, and therefore I don't trust that the PEDs will be cashed out and used to pay legal costs. But that's just my opinion.
 
In short, though I understand someone(s) are out a considerable amount of US dollars, and that a criminal deserves to be punished.... I truly believe pursuing this will be a waste of all of your time in the end.
Let's face it..... if someone can afford to spend tens of thousands of US dollars to play a video game.... then they really CAN afford to lose those items (not that they should have to or deserve to).

I take issue still with the ease at which people can do and will continue with such ease to commit fraud in this virtual universe.

In my opinion any actions to hold accountable and bring to justice these individuals is welcomed in my book.

Yes it's terrible that these players have lost so much money, but it's even more of a travesty that some single player has fraudulently gained this huge amount of money.
 
Sorry for pissing on everyone's parade but....

As an educated individual in the field of civil law, the reality is this:

A.) Legal proceedings will have to be handled by Swedish courts as it falls in their jurisdiction.

B.) Your legal costs will run you around 10k U.S. for a half descent lawyer for "overseas" work.

C.) You WILL (all parties involved in filing the suit) have to cease all action within the Entropia Universe until the court proceedings are over.

D.) This "case" will probably last 3 years from today assuming you all get right on the band wagon (as a guesstimate).

E.) IF you can work around the EU EULA/ToS which CLEARLY states that all virtual items are property of MindArk and NOT the player.... then you will ONLY be awarded replacement value (assuming EU is still operational), due to the fact that the items were stolen... not a currency.... By then.... they will be worth less than they are today assuming the economy continues.

In short, though I understand someone(s) are out a considerable amount of US dollars, and that a criminal deserves to be punished.... I truly believe pursuing this will be a waste of all of your time in the end.
Let's face it..... if someone can afford to spend tens of thousands of US dollars to play a video game.... then they really CAN afford to lose those items (not that they should have to or deserve to).

PED donations are a real nice gesture..... however.... if you play poker long enough, you're gonna get burned by someone who's counting cards or "has an ace up their sleeve". Those parties involved have been gambling in EU for some time now.... and they got burned. A real asshole move on the scammer's part..... but unfortunately, it comes with the territory of gambling.

I don't believe a "PED donation fund" is required and actually..... I believe it's quite redundant. I also believe that to ask for donations to help out someone who got ripped off for trusting the wrong person(s) is just plain WRONG. I mean.... the PEDs will barely scratch the surface of the financial costs, and therefore I don't trust that the PEDs will be cashed out and used to pay legal costs. But that's just my opinion.

Your post is full of statements based on assumptions that, as someone educated in (civil) law suprises me. Thanks for your free advice.

I find your poker analogy extremely poorly thought through.

Think I best stop there, I think you'd be foolish not to do everything in your power not to try eh?
 
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I like the cause and would like to donate but the identitiy of EntropiaLaw is unknown...for all we know he may be Rilort and out to do another scam.

Why is EntropiaLaw's identity unknown? maybe he/she is an old time player. Seems to know enough about the game.
 
E.) IF you can work around the EU EULA/ToS which CLEARLY states that all virtual items are property of MindArk and NOT the player.... then you will ONLY be awarded replacement value (assuming EU is still operational), due to the fact that the items were stolen... not a currency.... By then.... they will be worth less than they are today assuming the economy continues.


no offence but I think you need further education ;)
 
I recommend to the forum management that for fundraisers such as this, the people involved should be verified for their legitimacy by a moderator. (real life info and such)

This can assure people they won't be donating to a fake fund and the authenticity of the cause.
 
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