News: The Expansion of Entropia Universe
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Arkadia, Cyrene and Toulan arent in the list because they learnt the news the same time as we all did. So they need to have some informations too before they can say if they join Genesis or not. Other planets are controled by MA so they could add these to the list.
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On my view the new planet ARIS is the first planet being made from scratch in Unreal 5. While they were doing it, they realized that it's very easy to work under Unreal 5 and they thought that they could open that creation of new planets to everyone with a big PED card.
This new ARIS planet will also be the first to come when Entropia release Unreal 5 launcher, remember that it will be a soft launch, which means we will have the option to login under the current CryEngine or under Unreal Engine. This new ARIS will exist in both engines but on Unreal 5 engine it will be the only planet available at the start and it will be the testing planet for bugs and stuff that we will test ourselves.
This maybe means that we can expect the release of the new engine in 2 years? And then we will have 2 more years for all the other planets to agree with this new type of development?
This new ARIS planet will also be the first to come when Entropia release Unreal 5 launcher, remember that it will be a soft launch, which means we will have the option to login under the current CryEngine or under Unreal Engine. This new ARIS will exist in both engines but on Unreal 5 engine it will be the only planet available at the start and it will be the testing planet for bugs and stuff that we will test ourselves.
This maybe means that we can expect the release of the new engine in 2 years? And then we will have 2 more years for all the other planets to agree with this new type of development?
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To me this sounds like someone watched a tutorial on procedural generation of content and realized that "hey, this is something we could make money in doing"
It is not a bad idea, depending on implementation. Which is also where i see issues. Historically, there has been some very good ideas that have been poorly implemented and ended up just short of disaster. I fear this will end up one of those times
It is not a bad idea, depending on implementation. Which is also where i see issues. Historically, there has been some very good ideas that have been poorly implemented and ended up just short of disaster. I fear this will end up one of those times
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To be brief....
When MA said they were planning to update to Unreal5 they explained to me that I wouldn't be able to develop Rocktropia in the same way as before, that they wouldn't be able to create the same tools for all the partners as with Cryengine2.. In that meeting I told them not to worry, just find a way to port Rocktropia to Unreal with the rest of the platform, we would figure out content development later.
Initially my plan was not to Sell Rocktropia, but to lease it to MA while they transitioned to Unreal, so they could update it along the way. But that didn't really work out, they really needed to own it, so they could have full control in order to integrate the new systems and do what ever they needed to do technically
I Understood the issues they were facing . So to be sure that ROCKTROPIA survived and to ensure that the loyal players would retain their items and estates I sold control of the planet to Mindark with the guarantee it would be updated and integrated. No further involvement by me.
But since I still believed in Entropia Universe I decided not to use this as the opportunity to sell out, but to Double down. So I made a deal to acquire the Howling Mine. Luckily I also decided to hold onto the Voting majority of the Rocktropia Deeds on the Entropia Exchange, "just in case" a voting system for content was ever added.
So the News of the Genesis Probe is Very exciting as far as I am concerned as this will become the new planet development tool. Makes sense.
I have no idea, how will it work, but its a creative tool, that it seems will have automated balancing which could solve the pipeline issues for new content.
Getting new players to Entropia Universe is extremely tricky, but User Generated Content has proven very successful for other platforms.
If this is done in the right way, I could see Millions of People wanting to fiddle around with a tool that allows them to create a world.
And then they create their avatars to step inside their world and then they go visit other worlds and suddenly we have alot of people exploring the Universe.
Okay we all know its easier to build a world than it is to Populate it... So I don't necessarily fear everyone leaving their current home worlds to settle permanently on new Planets, but I think people might enjoy checking out cool new stuff.
I was under the impression back in 2010 that the Planet Partner tools would be more automated. So this sounds like it could be it.
We have all got used to a platform with a handful of planets and whole lot of stifling Politics, this was never the plan for the planet Partner Program if the tools had worked and if the partners had managed to target the demographics they had promised, we would have dozens more planets by now.
It's a miracle truly we are all still here and obviously there are tremendous passions involved given the enormous hours everyone invests.
I'm very glad I transferred ownership of ROCKtropia to Mindark, even though I wish they would hurry up already and add the Codex and other fun shit before the Genesis Probe arrives...
And just for the record I don't know if anyone has had more grief with Mindark than me, but I keep faith in my belief in the Potential of Entropia Universe.
Can't wait to visit your planets!
When MA said they were planning to update to Unreal5 they explained to me that I wouldn't be able to develop Rocktropia in the same way as before, that they wouldn't be able to create the same tools for all the partners as with Cryengine2.. In that meeting I told them not to worry, just find a way to port Rocktropia to Unreal with the rest of the platform, we would figure out content development later.
Initially my plan was not to Sell Rocktropia, but to lease it to MA while they transitioned to Unreal, so they could update it along the way. But that didn't really work out, they really needed to own it, so they could have full control in order to integrate the new systems and do what ever they needed to do technically
I Understood the issues they were facing . So to be sure that ROCKTROPIA survived and to ensure that the loyal players would retain their items and estates I sold control of the planet to Mindark with the guarantee it would be updated and integrated. No further involvement by me.
But since I still believed in Entropia Universe I decided not to use this as the opportunity to sell out, but to Double down. So I made a deal to acquire the Howling Mine. Luckily I also decided to hold onto the Voting majority of the Rocktropia Deeds on the Entropia Exchange, "just in case" a voting system for content was ever added.
So the News of the Genesis Probe is Very exciting as far as I am concerned as this will become the new planet development tool. Makes sense.
I have no idea, how will it work, but its a creative tool, that it seems will have automated balancing which could solve the pipeline issues for new content.
Getting new players to Entropia Universe is extremely tricky, but User Generated Content has proven very successful for other platforms.
If this is done in the right way, I could see Millions of People wanting to fiddle around with a tool that allows them to create a world.
And then they create their avatars to step inside their world and then they go visit other worlds and suddenly we have alot of people exploring the Universe.
Okay we all know its easier to build a world than it is to Populate it... So I don't necessarily fear everyone leaving their current home worlds to settle permanently on new Planets, but I think people might enjoy checking out cool new stuff.
I was under the impression back in 2010 that the Planet Partner tools would be more automated. So this sounds like it could be it.
We have all got used to a platform with a handful of planets and whole lot of stifling Politics, this was never the plan for the planet Partner Program if the tools had worked and if the partners had managed to target the demographics they had promised, we would have dozens more planets by now.
It's a miracle truly we are all still here and obviously there are tremendous passions involved given the enormous hours everyone invests.
I'm very glad I transferred ownership of ROCKtropia to Mindark, even though I wish they would hurry up already and add the Codex and other fun shit before the Genesis Probe arrives...
And just for the record I don't know if anyone has had more grief with Mindark than me, but I keep faith in my belief in the Potential of Entropia Universe.
Can't wait to visit your planets!
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So basically you “gave” Rocktropia to Mindark, and this post is to convince the other “partners “ to do the same, what utter bullshit.
You are in bed with Mindark and know all the sleazy plans.
Untrustworthy scumbag
You are in bed with Mindark and know all the sleazy plans.
Untrustworthy scumbag
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And before you start, everybody go back and look at the press releases and promises Mindark and Neverdie have made to the players over the years, who the f@&k would believe anything they say.
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Whoever you are .. You have no fricking idea of My Battles with Mindark... Everything has been a War! My planet has been cut in half to save MA a few pennies in server costs. Every sacrifice I made was to keep Entropia Alive.., I have saved this Platform on Multiple occasions... For real and got shafted for the trouble.
We are all in bed with Mindark if we have time invested... I care about the players... So If you want your favorite Planet to hold out, fine! Tell them to hold out, who knows how that is going to play out.... Maybe that's the right play..
But I can tell you all, I'm as mad as hell, just like you most of the time at .. Still fighting to make this work.
I'm sharing my experience with you all as a former planet partner since no one else has said anything yet.
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Also
Okay here's a press release you can all look at
www.planetcalypsoforum.com
It only took me 17 years to get this one to sort of come to fruition with the launch of the Howling Mine and Asteroid Mining.
bringing ideas to fruition can be a long and winding road.
Okay here's a press release you can all look at
Just saw this Press Release....
Jon Jacobs aka NEVERDIE of Entropia Universe Announces $5 Million Virtual World Treasure Hunt Virtual World Pop Icon to Host 2nd Annual Massive Multiplayer Online World Championship Finals LAS VEGAS--(Business Wire)--Jon Jacobs aka NEVERDIE...
It only took me 17 years to get this one to sort of come to fruition with the launch of the Howling Mine and Asteroid Mining.
bringing ideas to fruition can be a long and winding road.
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Here's another Press release to look at .
President of Virtual Reality Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs Unveils Plan to Create 3 Million Jobs with 'Public Transport' IPO
/PRNewswire/ -- First President of Virtual Reality (VR) Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs today announced details of his plan to create jobs in VR, through the privatization...
www.prnewswire.com
I think you might find some of that is finally coming to light..
The Job System is in place. Doesn't mean anyone wants the jobs right now.. But the Jobs are there. The Teleportation is there.
It's all scaleable.. Attack me all you like, but shoving failures in peoples faces when it takes failure to reach success is meaningless
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Finally I would like to address this "Untrustworthy Scumbag" label.. First of all, who are you?
I used my real name with my avatar.. So people actually know who they are dealing with.
What exactly did I do to you that so offended you?
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That's a lot of noise directed at NEVERDIE.
I’ve had my own disagreements with NEVERDIE over the years. I don’t always align with his projects or his vision—but I’ve always respected that he shows up with his name, his face, and his accountability.
Whether you agree with him or not, that kind of integrity deserves recognition.
On the other hand, launching personal attacks from behind an anonymous username like what we’re seeing from Pettson&Findus—is cowardice, plain and simple. It’s easy to tear someone down when there’s nothing at stake for you, no reputation, no accountability, no identity to attach to your words.
Hiding behind a mask to sling insults at someone who’s openly participating in the conversation? That’s not mature, and it’s not how real communities grow stronger.
We can disagree. We can debate. But we should do it with transparency, honesty, and respect. Otherwise, we’re just creating a toxic echo chamber where no real progress can happen.
Aim higher. And stop being an asshole.
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@NEVERDIE : RT has great ideas. DCLASS is the amp that give newcomers some love with park lot and to miners with Alternative, too as an example.
it was an unfinished work, dead end in loots and BP, no codex after years (for native creatures) and such.
PROBE will probably be some 50k EUR item to be used for planet parnterns wannabe, not for sure to reach a "no man sky" universe.
All in all, IDGAF od more planets and deed system
for me, and for many other, the matter is
1. Forcing Cyrene team (best quest and content creation team) for surrender to the Behemot or disappear
2. Fuck the players that work to make a "perfect imperium armor" to loose it as well as a Stable Turrelion Assassinator (IF THE QUESTILINE IS EVER FIXED) to loose items.
IMHO An acquired item is SACRE and can never be VIOLATED by any means. i got my Horns of Zagol... destroy Monria, remove shubs but my hors are MINE beause i threw hours and hours to grind them and it is absurd to remove them, not even with a compensation.
we are not all here for PED, we are here to ACHIEVE and disruptive behabious is bad.
a comment on teleportation : Actual implementation is a joke. weight limit and absurd cost make it an useless feature.
Space miing rewards BLAZAR, an already oversupplied item (price was 12 ped per thousand units before RDI, then fell to 8 then to 4 with asteroids, this has killed some MU extractions for lower level PPL (exarosaur and screecher sources)
we got problem with balancing and population, are so utterly clear to players, but seems no one wants to fix actual and think to some far point in the future.
i would prefer to have player able to make their own RIFTS or CAVES like the RT Basements (great idea, BTW) than planets.
it was an unfinished work, dead end in loots and BP, no codex after years (for native creatures) and such.
PROBE will probably be some 50k EUR item to be used for planet parnterns wannabe, not for sure to reach a "no man sky" universe.
All in all, IDGAF od more planets and deed system
for me, and for many other, the matter is
1. Forcing Cyrene team (best quest and content creation team) for surrender to the Behemot or disappear
2. Fuck the players that work to make a "perfect imperium armor" to loose it as well as a Stable Turrelion Assassinator (IF THE QUESTILINE IS EVER FIXED) to loose items.
IMHO An acquired item is SACRE and can never be VIOLATED by any means. i got my Horns of Zagol... destroy Monria, remove shubs but my hors are MINE beause i threw hours and hours to grind them and it is absurd to remove them, not even with a compensation.
we are not all here for PED, we are here to ACHIEVE and disruptive behabious is bad.
a comment on teleportation : Actual implementation is a joke. weight limit and absurd cost make it an useless feature.
Space miing rewards BLAZAR, an already oversupplied item (price was 12 ped per thousand units before RDI, then fell to 8 then to 4 with asteroids, this has killed some MU extractions for lower level PPL (exarosaur and screecher sources)
we got problem with balancing and population, are so utterly clear to players, but seems no one wants to fix actual and think to some far point in the future.
i would prefer to have player able to make their own RIFTS or CAVES like the RT Basements (great idea, BTW) than planets.
I dont think anyone joined entropia universe hoping to own/build there own planet, they want to explore and enjoy content, exploring is uneventfull since most of the landscape is bare. The content is lacking and half of it is bugged. The ones advocating for these changes have more dollars than sense and have thier own self interests at heart.
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I approached Mindark to Lease RT from me, not the other way around... So I made my deal before Mindark i guess had finalized the strategy for porting planets to Unreal5 and the development tools that would be utilized after... Also My deal took almost a year to close. So AI had not even exploded at that point.
But I do know that from the moment Mindark chose to update to Unreal5 I faced an uncertain transition period for ROCktropia and that when I tried to do a lease it wasn't viable. If Calypso is going to use these Same Genesis Probe tools eventually then Cyrene will be in great place, maybe even better than it is now..
If other planets want to keep developing on the platform they have use the tools that are being presented... Unless they want to try to stop Mindark from updating the platform. I don't think the PP agreement would support that.
It seems from the tone of this announcement that some planets are undecided and MA is letting the players know that the consequences are pretty devastating and that there is some urgency needed in the decision making as tech is moving forward rapidly..
I don't want to advise the planet partners on how to deal with this. I'm not a planet partner. When I gave up RT, I emailed them all and I said I 'm turning the planet over to MA for what I believed to be the Good of the RT player base and my Stakeholders...
It was a leap of Faith for me and a massive risk. I have not cashed out. I'm gonna sink with the ship if MA fails.
And as far as the Howling Mine Teleportation balancing is concerned , don't get me started!!! I haven't slept in almost 90 days. I'm mining like a freak to figure out where the fucking Scottium is! And the last thing I want to see is MU fucked up anywhere for anyone.
I hope honestly the planets stay in Biz, its up to them to sit down and work out the transition deal one way or another.
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I dont know if any of these planets will be serious planets, maybe it will be like our RL universe just Billions of Stars and planets, but maybe the tool will be fun to use and attract people to Entropia... ( thats my hope, that its fun and maybe 1 in a Million becomes a viable home world, just like our Universe most planets are just big lumps of rock) I like the Idea of a much vaster Space and exploring... No Mans Sky with RCE could be huge... Who knows right now
Dont take this the wrong way as i have had no dealings with you good,bad, or indifferent. just like our universe the majority of its inhabitants are tired of being told one thing only to have something else happen.
I dont think the peoples requests are unreasonable (bug fixes and balancing) but there has been little to no movement on those fronts.
If they cant balance a system that they have a large amount of control of why would i have faith that theyre going to pull it off with an ever expanding and collapsing universe?
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I think if anyone who has played this game for very long looks at the content in the game and doesn't think a motivated content creator in 2025 could do better, they are dreaming.
In the current process it takes months, years even, for even the most minor content updates.
I've been playing for the past 4 years and have been constantly frustrated with the slow pace. This is an opportunity to fix that.
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Because spending money fixing a platform you are replacing is throwing good money after bad money. Better to keep the old platform limping along until it can be replaced.
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umhm idk..... milions?
matter is that the way Entropia was intended to be and the way is going to be is totally opposite and based on the forum data if u look closely the general feeling is towards the beginning, mostly backward than forward, towards a nostalgic approach, even new players tend to look back at what was before and this is one of the main reasons we don't see pregold players anymore
more on the matter is idk how others are but as i can see between lines on the forum is not encouraging at all when comes about imagination from playerbase, no offense but i doubt i will be able to be surprised by anyone i know to be able to produce a planet to be wished for,
even more to the matter is that as i could read thru the lines also based on what this forum data can provide among the small chats i had thru the years best pockets this game has are more into enjoying the service than cooking, and by taking them out of the equation what remains are the rest of the "Millions", the "core" with more money and the means to make something desirable (not)
i personally prefer to be served, i don't want to get near the kitchen not even to smell what is cooking there, i want to see what the chef is recommending me, i don't want to prepare, to wash, to plate anything, just enjoy the meal and the chill of a class of bourbon with a cycare, nothing else.
just look at how most of the big pockets want to achieve things in the current format of the game, auto hunting is a message if is read correctly.
i m not sure if i can say "i cant wait to visit" any planet made by players, no offense again
4 whole years eh..may I ask are you a programmer? Is that what you do for living?
Im not so i couldnt tell you how long it takes to do X.Y.Z, if you are not a programmer/game desinger then i dont think you have any room to talk.
To boil my statement down to a singular example is disengeniuous.
Maybe speak to arkadias the gold rush winners. How long does it take to calculate the top 3 winners of an event and hand them there prizes?
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Hmmm... Let's see.... 325 miliseconds !
| Global count | total loot | total points | |
| Krystal Jan Oaki | 1059 | 164533 | 165592 |
| Kamonpach BKK Empress | 565 | 82977 | 83542 |
| LorD Raze Z4Kmagician | 393 | 45786 | 46179 |
| Phillip TheTank J-Fry | 186 | 20001 | 20187 |
| Bigfot Tomten Painkiller | 97 | 15988 | 16085 |
| Banna tBANNA ARHItARtDES | 100 | 14719 | 14819 |
| Haris DarkNaiad Kon | 60 | 13764 | 13824 |
| Perfect Dmatrix Bimbo | 80 | 11913 | 11993 |
| ippo minerguyfin finitto | 82 | 10801 | 10883 |
| Image ZZ Marshall | 50 | 10212 | 10262 |
probably some data missing, but mindark should have calculated this result months ago. Also some daily rewards were wrong, but none of my business
Exactly ty for reinforcing my point http://arkadiaforum.com/threads/gold-rush-2024.15918/Hmmm... Let's see.... 325 miliseconds !
Global count total loot total points Krystal Jan Oaki 1059 164533 165592 Kamonpach BKK Empress 565 82977 83542 LorD Raze Z4Kmagician 393 45786 46179 Phillip TheTank J-Fry 186 20001 20187 Bigfot Tomten Painkiller 97 15988 16085 Banna tBANNA ARHItARtDES 100 14719 14819 Haris DarkNaiad Kon 60 13764 13824 Perfect Dmatrix Bimbo 80 11913 11993 ippo minerguyfin finitto 82 10801 10883 Image ZZ Marshall 50 10212 10262
probably some data missing, but mindark should have calculated this result months ago. Also some daily rewards were wrong, but none of my business
I didnt participate so i have no skin in that game. Almost 3 whole months and to my knowledge the prizes have not been paid out, kinda looks like they ran out of Peter's.
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You are exactly what Entropia needs right now. A larger-than-life friendly personality to promote this game again. I still have my apartment on Club NEVERDIE (aka FOMA). Really looking forward to our future
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Thank you for sharing this information Neverdie, it really helps put things into better perspective.
I'm curious to hear more about what happened with the Amevrica EU project. Would you be able to expand on that?
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Back when the Virtuaverse devs left a few of them straight-up said that the competitor was actively sabotaging their project. No clue exactly how they did it but it seems like they shifted resources into other random side projects like this instead. Wouldnt be surprised if there were some legal threats or under-the-table moves involved either. Someone get that Entropia investigator guy on it
Ccan’t remember his name, but hes usually the one digging up this kind of stuff. Feels like classic MA behavior honestly... break something, say nothing, and let the community bleed.
Ccan’t remember his name, but hes usually the one digging up this kind of stuff. Feels like classic MA behavior honestly... break something, say nothing, and let the community bleed.
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It is a bit funny that they dropped this and then decided to not communicate anything else. The OP is vague enough to cause confusion.
People have tons of questions regarding this and some people even feel bad about it as they interpreted this as them losing out on tons of time and money they put into items. Some people are already trying to cash in on it and others are panicking.
In my mind, communicating like this is great for reality tv, not so much for a rce game.
People have tons of questions regarding this and some people even feel bad about it as they interpreted this as them losing out on tons of time and money they put into items. Some people are already trying to cash in on it and others are panicking.
In my mind, communicating like this is great for reality tv, not so much for a rce game.
I’m happy to hear from a current investor give me a little more confidence. It’s good to see that you’re actually all the way in my one question for you being a player. With someone new who also plays that wants to invest in a planet and they see how the economy is do you think it would still be a good money making venture? My biggest Hang up is the state of the economy we need a thriving economy for everyone to at least profit or be self sufficient.
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Everyone can't break even, let alone profit.
For everyone to break even we would need a crazy stream of money poured into the game that isn't from players. As long as there is markup people will lose, as long as MA needs their cut people will lose.
Only way for everyone to break even without money coming in would be if nothing had markup, all multipliers would be removed and someone sponsored the servers and staff.
Speaking of which, why don't we have ads in game?
If there are 5000 players and everyone is exposed for an average of ten ads any given night that would mean we could have another 2k Hof and happy player every day.
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I thought that when we only had Calypso.... It's like MA don't want players to have any social interaction.
Depressing news.